[opensuse-factory] 13.1 => Tumbleweed problems
Any problems migrating from 13.1 to Tumbleweed I should watch out for? TIA, Jeffrey -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Op maandag 16 november 2015 14:38:57 schreef Jeffrey L. Taylor:
Any problems migrating from 13.1 to Tumbleweed I should watch out for?
TIA, Jeffrey
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On Monday 16 November 2015 14:38:57 Jeffrey L. Taylor wrote:
Any problems migrating from 13.1 to Tumbleweed I should watch out for?
I can recommend to have a good backup. Then nothing should prevent you from just trying In general the upgrade should work although it might be better to go from 13.1 to 13.2 first, fix potential issues, then upgrade to Tumbleweed, of course, all that done with backups. Oliver -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
I am using my recently updated laptop now... It was 13.1, now it is Tumbleweed. I have a LOT of repositories from build services (including XOrg and Kernel), and I had a lot of repositories that I only had a single one or two things from. I found the tumbleweed version of each repo and switched to it, but then disabled (moved out or /etc/zypp/repos.d) all except the main ones. mod-perl gave me a few issues, so I uninstalled it before the upgrade. After this I added the rest in one at a time and migrate to them as time goes on. After upgrading and due to having a lot of repos, I "zypper up" instead of "zypper dup" where possible to stop swapping to whatever repo has the highest version (that can cause issues). I still get some file conflicts with old stuff that was installed, but I have been able to safely just say "yes" to that question (most of it is language packs for some reason). My desktop had to be completely redone as all settings had changed. I run on an SSD with trim support (and deadline I/O scheduler), have hybrid graphics, use bluetooth, have many older 32-bit legacy proprietary apps installed, use serial, use virtualisation, use complex network setups, run all sorts of apps and I generally have few issues. OpenSuse Tumbleweed is awesome. Except for Plasma 5's lack of screen savers, and there seems to be a lack of telephony support, and you have to add some fairly non-free repositories to make your fonts render nicely, I have found it very stable (except for an update that killed radeon - but that was from XOrg not from OSS and my primary card is Intel). -- Ben Ben Holmes Customer Engineer Interactive Pty Ltd Telephone +61 7 3323 0800 Facsimile +61 7 3323 0899 Mobile +61 421 406 456 www.interactive.com.au ------Confidentiality & Legal Privilege------------- "This email is intended for the named recipient only. The information contained in this message may be confidential, or commercially sensitive. If you are not the intended recipient you must not reproduce or distribute any part of the email, disclose its contents to any other party, or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please contact the sender immediately. Please delete this message from your computer. Confidentiality and legal privilege are not waived or lost by reason of mistaken delivery to you." ________________________________________ From: Jeffrey L. Taylor [jeff.taylor@ieee.org] Sent: 17 November 2015 06:38 To: opensuse-factory@opensuse.org Subject: [opensuse-factory] 13.1 => Tumbleweed problems Any problems migrating from 13.1 to Tumbleweed I should watch out for? TIA, Jeffrey -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
* Ben Holmes <bholmes@interactive.com.au> [11-17-15 18:56]:
I am using my recently updated laptop now...
It was 13.1, now it is Tumbleweed. [...] Except for Plasma 5's lack of screen savers,
xset +dpms xset dpms 300 400 500 xset s on man xset also there is xscreensaver -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
I meant no fancy pretty "xcreensaver-esque" screen savers. I know I could use actual "xscreensavers", but it has too many integration issues and I really don't like having to leave system settings to play with screen savers. Plasma 5 developers deliberately made the decision not to integrate xcreensaver modules. I could make my screen go blank (actual screensaver), but what I am looking for is a KDE plasma5 integrated bouncing cow (and I would like the option to set DRI_PRIME=1 to have it rendered on my secondary GPU)! I guess a "Just blank when on battery" would be nice because some screensavers really suck down the power (but who cares, they look nice). Unfortunately, after reading the blog about the decision, I am pretty sure it isn't going to change. It really is a first-world-issue though. Not a deal breaker for an otherwise amazing distro. -- Ben Ben Holmes Customer Engineer Interactive Pty Ltd Telephone +61 7 3323 0800 Facsimile +61 7 3323 0899 Mobile +61 421 406 456 www.interactive.com.au ------Confidentiality & Legal Privilege------------- "This email is intended for the named recipient only. The information contained in this message may be confidential, or commercially sensitive. If you are not the intended recipient you must not reproduce or distribute any part of the email, disclose its contents to any other party, or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please contact the sender immediately. Please delete this message from your computer. Confidentiality and legal privilege are not waived or lost by reason of mistaken delivery to you." ________________________________________ From: Patrick Shanahan [ptilopteri@gmail.com] on behalf of Patrick Shanahan [paka@opensuse.org] Sent: 18 November 2015 10:04 To: opensuse-factory@opensuse.org Subject: Re: [opensuse-factory] 13.1 => Tumbleweed problems * Ben Holmes <bholmes@interactive.com.au> [11-17-15 18:56]:
I am using my recently updated laptop now...
It was 13.1, now it is Tumbleweed. [...] Except for Plasma 5's lack of screen savers,
xset +dpms xset dpms 300 400 500 xset s on man xset also there is xscreensaver -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
* Ben Holmes <bholmes@interactive.com.au> [11-19-15 20:14]:
I meant no fancy pretty "xcreensaver-esque" screen savers.
I know I could use actual "xscreensavers", but it has too many integration issues and I really don't like having to leave system settings to play with screen savers.
Plasma 5 developers deliberately made the decision not to integrate xcreensaver modules.
I could make my screen go blank (actual screensaver), but what I am looking for is a KDE plasma5 integrated bouncing cow (and I would like the option to set DRI_PRIME=1 to have it rendered on my secondary GPU)! I guess a "Just blank when on battery" would be nice because some screensavers really suck down the power (but who cares, they look nice).
Unfortunately, after reading the blog about the decision, I am pretty sure it isn't going to change. It really is a first-world-issue though. Not a deal breaker for an otherwise amazing distro.
-- Ben
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________________________________________ From: Patrick Shanahan [ptilopteri@gmail.com] on behalf of Patrick Shanahan [paka@opensuse.org] Sent: 18 November 2015 10:04 To: opensuse-factory@opensuse.org Subject: Re: [opensuse-factory] 13.1 => Tumbleweed problems
* Ben Holmes <bholmes@interactive.com.au> [11-17-15 18:56]:
I am using my recently updated laptop now...
It was 13.1, now it is Tumbleweed. [...] Except for Plasma 5's lack of screen savers,
xset +dpms xset dpms 300 400 500 xset s on
man xset
also there is xscreensaver
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xset has nothing to do with xscreensaver. But you might have learned that if you had bothered. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
18.11.2015 02:55, Ben Holmes пишет:
After this I added the rest in one at a time and migrate to them as time goes on. After upgrading and due to having a lot of repos, I "zypper up" instead of "zypper dup" where possible to stop swapping to whatever repo has the highest version (that can cause issues).
That is what solver.dupAllowVendorChange (or --no-allow-vendor-change) is for. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
How is: "zypper --no-allow-vendor-change dup" better than "zypper up"? (Or changing the setting in /etc/zypp/zypp.conf and then running "zypper dup") If I am doing it wrong and it may cause problems down the road, I would be interested in changing this. So far, I have a stable OpenSuse tumbleweed with 27 enabled repos. I have seen quite a bit of debate about "zypper up" vs "zypper dup", but I never seem to miss out on anything with "zypper up". -- Ben Ben Holmes Customer Engineer Interactive Pty Ltd Telephone +61 7 3323 0800 Facsimile +61 7 3323 0899 Mobile +61 421 406 456 www.interactive.com.au ------Confidentiality & Legal Privilege------------- "This email is intended for the named recipient only. The information contained in this message may be confidential, or commercially sensitive. If you are not the intended recipient you must not reproduce or distribute any part of the email, disclose its contents to any other party, or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please contact the sender immediately. Please delete this message from your computer. Confidentiality and legal privilege are not waived or lost by reason of mistaken delivery to you." ________________________________________ From: Andrei Borzenkov [arvidjaar@gmail.com] Sent: 18 November 2015 13:33 To: Ben Holmes; Jeffrey L. Taylor; opensuse-factory@opensuse.org Subject: Re: [opensuse-factory] 13.1 => Tumbleweed problems 18.11.2015 02:55, Ben Holmes пишет:
After this I added the rest in one at a time and migrate to them as time goes on. After upgrading and due to having a lot of repos, I "zypper up" instead of "zypper dup" where possible to stop swapping to whatever repo has the highest version (that can cause issues).
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20.11.2015 04:03, Ben Holmes пишет:
How is: "zypper --no-allow-vendor-change dup" better than "zypper up"? I have seen quite a bit of debate about "zypper up" vs "zypper dup", but I never seem to miss out on anything with "zypper up".
It is probably more prudent - you never noticed you missed something. To state you did not miss you need to compare both "zypper up" and "zypper dup" every time. I remember several cases of unintentional vendor change in TW. They were corrected at the end, but intermediate results were different. Also openSUSE seems historically to rely on "zypper dup" to resolve package changes that would normally be solved using proper Provide/Obsoletes/Epoch. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Am 18.11.2015 um 00:55 schrieb Ben Holmes:
I still get some file conflicts with old stuff that was installed, but I have been able to safely just say "yes" to that question (most of it is language packs for some reason).
Unless the affected packages are related to "kde" the conflicts should be fixed by proper provides/obsoletes. Do you have a list of affected packages? Olaf -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
I don't have a list unfortunately. Most of them were from files installed repositories that I have had in the past that I no longer used, then I installed everything from another repository. They were around KTP and SIPE and usually old language packs for them. It doesn't happen very often and seems to be happening less and less since the upgrade. -- Ben Ben Holmes Customer Engineer Interactive Pty Ltd Telephone +61 7 3323 0800 Facsimile +61 7 3323 0899 Mobile +61 421 406 456 www.interactive.com.au ------Confidentiality & Legal Privilege------------- "This email is intended for the named recipient only. The information contained in this message may be confidential, or commercially sensitive. If you are not the intended recipient you must not reproduce or distribute any part of the email, disclose its contents to any other party, or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please contact the sender immediately. Please delete this message from your computer. Confidentiality and legal privilege are not waived or lost by reason of mistaken delivery to you." ________________________________________ From: Olaf Hering [olaf@aepfle.de] Sent: 18 November 2015 18:11 To: Ben Holmes; opensuse-factory@opensuse.org Subject: Re: [opensuse-factory] 13.1 => Tumbleweed problems Am 18.11.2015 um 00:55 schrieb Ben Holmes:
I still get some file conflicts with old stuff that was installed, but I have been able to safely just say "yes" to that question (most of it is language packs for some reason).
Unless the affected packages are related to "kde" the conflicts should be fixed by proper provides/obsoletes. Do you have a list of affected packages? Olaf N�����r��y隊Z)z{.���r�+�맲��r��z�^�ˬz��N�(�֜��^� ޭ隊Z)z{.���r�+��0�����Ǩ�
On Tue, 17 Nov 2015 23:55:24 +0000 Ben Holmes wrote:
-- Ben
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