[opensuse-factory] Test my new account
123 -- Marco Calistri opensuse Tumbleweed 64 bit - Kernel 4.5.0-3-default Gnome 3.20 Intel® Core™ i5-2410M CPU @ 2.30GHz × 4 - Intel® Sandybridge Mobile -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 2016-04-18 20:05, poliglot wrote:
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There is an opensuse-test list where you can do your tests :-) I reply because one feature of gmail is that it automatically removes what it consider duplicates. As the list post is a "copy" (has the same message id) that the post in your sent folder, it is deleted. Also, if people reply to you and to the list, you will not receive the on list copy. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
Il 18/04/2016 17:14, Carlos E. R. ha scritto:
Great Carlos! Then you discovered the mistery that was causing my frustration because I was looking for my own posting (I.E. original sent email on the list as I was seeing before to start getting problems using YAHOO.COM.BR). So the reason why I do not see my own posts on the factory list is that being same Id of my sent message it is removed by the Inbox folder right? Regards, -- Marco Calistri opensuse Tumbleweed 64 bit - Kernel 4.5.0-3-default Gnome 3.20 Intel® Core™ i5-2410M CPU @ 2.30GHz × 4 - Intel® Sandybridge Mobile -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 2016-04-18 22:21, poliglot wrote:
It is removed by gmail internal filtering before it reaches your inbox. This gmail feature is impossible to disable, there is no configuration for it. Only gamil does this, as far as I know - and it is a pain, because aside of this, gmail is perfect for mail lists. The way to solve this problem is to send using another account - be it another gmail account (I have not tried this), or another ISP that provides you with you with smart relay host facilities (in Spain, for instance, none does, to my knowledge). -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
Il 18/04/2016 18:09, Carlos E. R. ha scritto:
Ok now it is more clear but then you were receiving as well my yahoo.com.br account posting? If the answer is yes, then I will restore the former subscription to opensuse-factory. Thanks. Cheers,
-- Marco Calistri opensuse Tumbleweed 64 bit - Kernel 4.5.0-3-default Gnome 3.20 Intel® Core™ i5-2410M CPU @ 2.30GHz × 4 - Intel® Sandybridge Mobile -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 2016-04-18 23:51, poliglot wrote:
Ok now it is more clear but then you were receiving as well my yahoo.com.br account posting?
Yes, I did. I have no idea if yahoo also does this deletion of duplicates. As far as I know, they don't. But you can have both accounts subscribed, and compare :-)
If the answer is yes, then I will restore the former subscription to opensuse-factory.
But it appears that not everybody did get your emails, no? Or not always? You should contact the list owner, as he told you on another post, because he could tell you of bounces, or other information by looking on the list server logs. We can't. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
On 2016-04-19 00:10, Marco Calistri wrote:
Well now I'm replying you by using my former account at yahoo...
Let's see...
It will depend on whether the receiver use the dmarc test, because it fails. I am subscribed with two accounts. One of them (this one) doesn't check dmarc, but google does, and says that it failed: Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; dkim=neutral (body hash did not verify) header.i=@yahoo.com.br; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of opensuse-factory+bounces-68329-robin.listas=gmail.com@opensuse.org designates 195.135.221.153 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=opensuse-factory+bounces-68329-robin.listas=gmail.com@opensuse.org; dmarc=fail (p=REJECT dis=NONE) header.from=yahoo.com.br But apparently google is not acting on it, as it did some time ago, according to the article Chris Murphy posted. Unless the "dis=NONE" has something to do with it. I don't know. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
* Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> [04-18-16 18:08]:
He could even post using is regular/previous email addr and use smtp.google.com. Then yahoo would not be messing with his list postings. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 19/04/2016 1:49, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
He could even post using is regular/previous email addr and use smtp.google.com. Then yahoo would not be messing with his list postings.
On the contrary! Doing that makes the dmarc test to fail, unless yahoo authorizes google to do that. It works by checking some fields on the DNS for his address, ie, yahoo. And it says that if if it is not sent from a list of IPs, the mail should be discarded as false. -- Saludos/Cheers, Carlos E.R. (Minas-Morgul - W10) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
* Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> [04-18-16 20:17]:
But he would not be sending to yahoo :) Yahoo doesn't figure in if he uses google's smtp. I can send direct from my home box that way rather than using my att.net isp, in fact I do for some addrs. List mail would not see yahoo but google. Only return posts from the list would travel thru yahoo. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 19/04/2016 2:50, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
It doesn't matter. At the receiving end, the server receiving sees the from: someguy@yahoo. Then it checks the dns and downloads data, which says which IP xx.yy.zz.ww are authorized to send posts in the name of yahoo. The receiving box says that it was sent from gmail. Gmail is not in the authorized list for yahoo, thus the mail is false. Discard it. This is called "dmarc" tests. See wikipedia. See the link posted several times which explains why it kills mail lists. It is the same thing: his post "from" yahoo is seen to come from opensuse.org, thus it has to be false. It claims to be "from" yahoo but it is not. Even though it really is! It is a method, enforced on the destination server, to check if the email was "really" sent by the person listed in the "from" address. It does not verify the person, but the domain. If a person has a yahoo address, it MUST be sent by a yahoo server, or it is false. So if you send from your home server, or via google, it is detected that you did that, and it is not valid. -- Saludos/Cheers, Carlos E.R. (Minas-Morgul - W10) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Il 18/04/2016 22:27, Carlos E. R. ha scritto:
Ok Sirs, I switched to use one of mine gmail smtp server by keeping my yahoo.com.br account as sender of this reply. Let'see whats happen... Anyway sorry but I still didn't get why I cannot see my original sent post on the list as I did just few days ago, this is certainly a recent change on smtp rules! Cheers, -- Marco Calistri -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2016-04-19 14:25, Marco Calistri wrote:
Scenario: You send using from: foo@yahoo. It gets to opensuse.org, which sends to people, including you. Your receiving server (yahoo) sees a "from: foo@yahoo", but coming from IP=XX.YY.WW.ZZ that belongs to opensuse.org, not to yahoo. If the dmarc policy for yahoo is "reject", your own mail is rejected as false and you do not get it. My receiving server (telefonica) does not implement dmarc test, so the same post arrives to me. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlcWyHIACgkQja8UbcUWM1wu1QEAhmmMR4wqaFTGo0MgXJB01GMX DU7A22QYQCTMUqpasa4A/iqAFKRSD8SJIdDIaeadr2PSzxrOkQYQYzm4ikZLCRjf =Hmv7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Il 18/04/2016 22:27, Carlos E. R. ha scritto:
Ok Sirs, (2° attempt with subsribed sender) I switched to use one of mine gmail smtp server by keeping my yahoo.com.br account as sender of this reply. Let'see whats happen... Anyway sorry but I still didn't get why I cannot see my original sent post on the list as I did just few days ago, this is certainly a recent change on smtp rules! Cheers, -- Marco Calistri -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Il 19/04/2016 09:31, Marco Calistri ha scritto:
OK NOW I SEE MY ORIGINAL SENT E-MAIL ON THE LIST! Patrick theory looks to be correct! Cheers, -- Marco Calistri -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 2016-04-19 14:33, Marco Calistri wrote:
Il 19/04/2016 09:31, Marco Calistri ha scritto:
I switched to use one of mine gmail smtp server by keeping my yahoo.com.br account as sender of this reply.
No, the sender is gmail. You used: From: Marco Calistri <....0@gmail.com>
OK NOW I SEE MY ORIGINAL SENT E-MAIL ON THE LIST!
Patrick theory looks to be correct!
Notice that the way you sent, your From address was changed: From: Marco Calistri <....@gmail.com> X-Google-Original-From: Marco Calistri <...@yahoo.com.br> You tried to send with your "from" sent to ...@Yahoo, using gmail servers. But gmail changed, replaced, the "from" to be ...@gmail. To everybody, unless looking deeper, your email has a from address on gmail, and a reply-to set to yahoo. And of course, the dmarc test fails, but for another reason: Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; dkim=neutral (body hash did not verify) header.i=@gmail.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of opensuse-factory+bounces-68341-......=gmail.com@opensuse.org designates 195.135.221.153 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=opensuse-factory+bounces-68341-......=gmail.com@opensuse.org; dmarc=fail (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com As google uses a policy that allows it, nothing is done and we see the post. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
Il 19/04/2016 09:51, Carlos E. R. ha scritto:
Dunno what to do...
-- Marco Calistri Opensuse Tumbleweed 64 bit - Kernel 4.5.0-3-default Gnome 3.20 Intel® Core™ i5-2410M CPU @ 2.30GHz × 4 - Intel® Sandybridge Mobile -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Il 19/04/2016 10:01, Marco Calistri ha scritto:
This is what YAHOO Mail says for Mailing List owner: If you are a mailing list owner, what should you do? Mailing lists are a special case of sending mail on behalf of individuals. The most common option is to use the mailing list’s address instead of the sender’s on the From: line. This will change the reply behavior. Some mailing lists also choose to act as pure forwarders and resend the mail without breaking DKIM signatures. As of this publication, no common mailing list packages provide straightforward configuration options that produce DMARC compatibility, although Mailman has relevant features starting in 2.1.16. If you are a developer of mailing list software and would like help adding features to allow participants from domains with DMARC p=reject, please contact us at dmarc-help@yahoo-inc.com. More information about the DMARC specification and implementation advice is available at http://dmarc.org/ -- Marco Calistri Opensuse Tumbleweed 64 bit - Kernel 4.5.0-3-default Gnome 3.20 Intel® Core™ i5-2410M CPU @ 2.30GHz × 4 - Intel® Sandybridge Mobile -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2016-04-19 01:49, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
On the problem of dmarc, it does not matter what smtp host is used. The relevant item is the domain of the "From:" header. The check and rejects are done on the receiving server. Ours, yours and mine, not his. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlcWxv4ACgkQja8UbcUWM1x1eAD/X/LgH18CRNMKPukTGApBmmb5 /U0qcoXISh2iGrF4ZwIBAJVE3kAA+pWKAXmY3EWjMjNLIhcV4WM8dwyvICsbHv/v =1Mtj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Hey, this is opensuse-factory, a list about discussing the development of the openSUSE distributions. This is not opensuse-my-email-setup-is-weird. Stop discussing off-topic things on the list. Thanks in advance. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, Mailinglist Admin http://www.opensuse.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 2:14 PM, Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> wrote:
Which is super annoying and backwards. I'd rather have the list copy because it contains list metadata, including on some lists the achived-at URL which is really nifty to use for citation/back-reference. -- Chris Murphy -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 2016-04-18 20:05, poliglot wrote:
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There is an opensuse-test list where you can do your tests :-) I reply because one feature of gmail is that it automatically removes what it consider duplicates. As the list post is a "copy" (has the same message id) that the post in your sent folder, it is deleted. Also, if people reply to you and to the list, you will not receive the on list copy. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
Il 18/04/2016 17:14, Carlos E. R. ha scritto:
Great Carlos! Then you discovered the mistery that was causing my frustration because I was looking for my own posting (I.E. original sent email on the list as I was seeing before to start getting problems using YAHOO.COM.BR). So the reason why I do not see my own posts on the factory list is that being same Id of my sent message it is removed by the Inbox folder right? Regards, -- Marco Calistri opensuse Tumbleweed 64 bit - Kernel 4.5.0-3-default Gnome 3.20 Intel® Core™ i5-2410M CPU @ 2.30GHz × 4 - Intel® Sandybridge Mobile -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 2016-04-18 22:21, poliglot wrote:
It is removed by gmail internal filtering before it reaches your inbox. This gmail feature is impossible to disable, there is no configuration for it. Only gamil does this, as far as I know - and it is a pain, because aside of this, gmail is perfect for mail lists. The way to solve this problem is to send using another account - be it another gmail account (I have not tried this), or another ISP that provides you with you with smart relay host facilities (in Spain, for instance, none does, to my knowledge). -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
Il 18/04/2016 18:09, Carlos E. R. ha scritto:
Ok now it is more clear but then you were receiving as well my yahoo.com.br account posting? If the answer is yes, then I will restore the former subscription to opensuse-factory. Thanks. Cheers,
-- Marco Calistri opensuse Tumbleweed 64 bit - Kernel 4.5.0-3-default Gnome 3.20 Intel® Core™ i5-2410M CPU @ 2.30GHz × 4 - Intel® Sandybridge Mobile -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 2016-04-18 23:51, poliglot wrote:
Ok now it is more clear but then you were receiving as well my yahoo.com.br account posting?
Yes, I did. I have no idea if yahoo also does this deletion of duplicates. As far as I know, they don't. But you can have both accounts subscribed, and compare :-)
If the answer is yes, then I will restore the former subscription to opensuse-factory.
But it appears that not everybody did get your emails, no? Or not always? You should contact the list owner, as he told you on another post, because he could tell you of bounces, or other information by looking on the list server logs. We can't. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
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