[opensuse-factory] mirrors list: many USA HTML links link to neither Factory nor Tumbleweed
http://mirrors.opensuse.org/list/factory.html has 27 links in USA HTML column of which the following include neither factory/ nor tumbleweed/: http://linuxfreedom.com/opensuse/ Linux Freedom http://linux.dell.com/repo/community/ Dell Linux community-supported repository http://www.gtlib.gatech.edu/pub/opensuse/ Ga Tech http://lug.mtu.edu/opensuse/ lug.mtu.edu http://reflector.vtti.vt.edu/opensuse/ reflector.vtti.vt.edu http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/linux/opensuse/ Indiana University http://mirror.metrocast.net/opensuse/ MetroCast Cablevision http://mirror.nexcess.net/opensuse/ nexcess.net http://mirror.rackspace.com/openSUSE/ Rackspace Hosting, Inc. http://mirrors.rit.edu/opensuse/ Rochester Institute of Technology http://mirrors.sonic.net/ Sonic.net SOC http://opensuse-mirror-gce-ap.susecloud.net/ SUSE Linux Products GmbH (404) http://opensuse-mirror-gce-us.opensu.se/ SUSE Linux Products GmbH http://suse.mirrors.tds.net/pub/opensuse/ TDS Telecom http://mirror.clarkson.edu/opensuse/ The Clarkson Open Source Institute http://ftp.utexas.edu/opensuse/ University of Texas at Austin http://opensuse.cs.utah.edu/opensuse/ University of Utah http://mirror.vtti.vt.edu/opensuse/ VTTI http://mirrors.xmission.com/opensuse/ XMission That's 20 worthless out of 27 total, 74% bad, factory/tumbleweed not being mirrored at all, according to the table there at least. http://mirrors.us.kernel.org/ should be in the list but is not. Of the 8 that work, none are physically close to my FL location. Closest looks like about 900-1000 miles away. The products list also omits any indication that Tumbleweed exists. It says corrections should goto admin@, but I'm sending here (first at least) because this is not exclusively an admin problem, but also a web presence and marketing problem. Maybe the page should be retired, but I hope not. When mirrorbrain points me to a slow download.opensuse.org mirror, I'd like to be able to repoint to something with decent throughput, hopefully because physically closer. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Felix Miata
It says corrections should goto admin@, but I'm sending here (first at least) because this is not exclusively an admin problem, but also a web presence and marketing problem. Maybe the page should be retired, but I hope not. When mirrorbrain points me to a slow download.opensuse.org mirror, I'd like to be able to repoint to something with decent throughput, hopefully because physically closer.
Do you get a better selection if you use this list? http://download.opensuse.org/tumbleweed/repo/oss/content.mirrorlist Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, SUSE Labs, schwab@suse.de GPG Key fingerprint = 0196 BAD8 1CE9 1970 F4BE 1748 E4D4 88E3 0EEA B9D7 "And now for something completely different." -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Andreas Schwab composed on 2015-07-29 09:27 (UTC+0200):
Felix Miata writes:
It says corrections should goto admin@, but I'm sending here (first at least) because this is not exclusively an admin problem, but also a web presence and marketing problem. Maybe the page should be retired, but I hope not. When mirrorbrain points me to a slow download.opensuse.org mirror, I'd like to be able to repoint to something with decent throughput, hopefully because physically closer.
Do you get a better selection if you use this list?
http://download.opensuse.org/tumbleweed/repo/oss/content.mirrorlist
Only in one regard, which is that five of the six listed there are ones that work from the other list and constitute a favorable percentage compared to the 20 out of 27 failing on the other. As the other provides seven links from which packages can be discovered rather than six from which nothing is directly discoverable, it fails in *reaching* the goal via mouse and web browser. If each provided link there took the form http://opensuse.temple.edu/factory/repo/oss/ rather than http://opensuse.temple.edu/factory/repo/oss/content then I would consider it better in most respects, failing in having fewer total working choices, and failing by not offering any clue as to the physical location of any listed for a country whose area covers 6.2% of the planet's total land area. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-07-29 07:09, Felix Miata wrote:
mirrorbrain points me to a slow download.opensuse.org mirror, I'd like to be able to repoint to something with decent throughput, hopefully because physically closer.
Anything in your continent is close enough in Internet terms. Kilometres are irrelevant, what matters is the pipe type and size. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlW4ysYACgkQja8UbcUWM1yN5QD+Krjcv86LccQmghMmTYiP2Lp0 Liw4uW91VhKCP+3zq6wA/RZt/HuvS8kAOO76lFrDsRDIO9JPHjNt5OCExVBQP6i4 =Po3U -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
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On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 14:44:54 +0200
"Carlos E. R."
On 2015-07-29 07:09, Felix Miata wrote:
mirrorbrain points me to a slow download.opensuse.org mirror, I'd like to be able to repoint to something with decent throughput, hopefully because physically closer.
Anything in your continent is close enough in Internet terms. Kilometres are irrelevant, what matters is the pipe type and size.
One like this perhaps? https://www.pinterest.com/pin/16395986113433892/ ;-) - -- Graham Davis, Bracknell, Berks. openSUSE 13.2 (64-bit); KDE 4.14.9; AMD Phenom II X2 550 Processor; Kernel: 4.1.3; Video: nVidia GeForce 210 (using nouveau driver); Sound: ATI SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iEYEARECAAYFAlW42aIACgkQDFqZ4PV8pUiFmwCeJvdIUBVhSYCb+ed/NetGiR9Q UQQAmwRG9KXr6Ecm8Np6gdmHhAFvpzuW =bxpy -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
The pipe on the ones I keep getting connected to is sub dial-up slow. It's down to 6.7 kbs right now. Something is wrong with the US mirrors/ Steven -- ____________ Apply appropriate technology. Use what works without prejudice. Steven L Hess ARS KC6KGE DM05gd22 Owner Flex-1500 and Flex-3000 Flex-6300, FT-857D, FT-817ND openSUSE Linux 13.1 KDE, Tumbleweed KDE with Packman Known as FlameBait and The Sock Puppet of Doom. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
* Steven Hess
The pipe on the ones I keep getting connected to is sub dial-up slow. It's down to 6.7 kbs right now. Something is wrong with the US mirrors/
I agree with this. I see the same. And of four local boxes, one is especially slow (the best hardward item) taking way longer than the other three. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Graham P Davis composed on 2015-07-29 14:48 (UTC+0100):
On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 14:44:54 +0200 Carlos E. R. wrote:
Felix Miata wrote:
mirrorbrain points me to a slow download.opensuse.org mirror, I'd like to be able to repoint to something with decent throughput, hopefully because physically closer.
Anything in your continent is close enough in Internet terms. Kilometres are irrelevant, what matters is the pipe type and size.
Obscure things. Maybe such things should be part of the mirrors list?
One like this perhaps? https://www.pinterest.com/pin/16395986113433892/
Failed to Connect The connection was refused when attempting to contact www.pinterest.com. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 12:59 PM, Felix Miata
Graham P Davis composed on 2015-07-29 14:48 (UTC+0100):
On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 14:44:54 +0200 Carlos E. R. wrote:
Felix Miata wrote:
mirrorbrain points me to a slow download.opensuse.org mirror, I'd like to be able to repoint to something with decent throughput, hopefully because physically closer.
Anything in your continent is close enough in Internet terms. Kilometres are irrelevant, what matters is the pipe type and size.
Obscure things. Maybe such things should be part of the mirrors list?
A better option would be to get mirrorbrain to select the best performing link automatically. Surely it already has some algorithm for making the selection. Adding the ability to blackball (possibly for just a short period of time) a slow responding site would take it out of the users hands. I guess the question is if the mirrorbrain needs extra functionality or if it has a bug that isn't causing it to move on to a better performing mirror.
One like this perhaps? https://www.pinterest.com/pin/16395986113433892/
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The connection was refused when attempting to contact www.pinterest.com.
It's just a fancy meerschaum pipe (for smoking tobacco). Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Greg Freemyer composed on 2015-07-29 13:20 (UTC-0400):
Felix Miata wrote:
Graham P Davis composed on 2015-07-29 14:48 (UTC+0100):
On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 14:44:54 +0200 Carlos E. R. wrote:
Felix Miata wrote:
mirrorbrain points me to a slow download.opensuse.org mirror, I'd like to be able to repoint to something with decent throughput, hopefully because physically closer.
Anything in your continent is close enough in Internet terms. Kilometres are irrelevant, what matters is the pipe type and size.
Obscure things. Maybe such things should be part of the mirrors list?
A better option would be to get mirrorbrain to select the best performing link automatically.
+1
Surely it already has some algorithm for making the selection. Adding the ability to blackball (possibly for just a short period of time) a slow responding site would take it out of the users hands.
+1
I guess the question is if the mirrorbrain needs extra functionality or if it has a bug that isn't causing it to move on to a better performing mirror.
I would think the following from zypp.conf should be able to cover the problem, but I'm not sure whether it can or does. ## Sets the minimum download speed (bytes per second) ## until the connection is dropped ## This can be useful to prevent security attacks on hosts by ## providing updates at very low speeds. ## ## 0 means no limit ## # download.min_download_speed = How many BPS would be appropriate? There is no man page for zypp.conf. The only guidance is as I pasted above, which is to say in practical terms, none. Should it be 1000? 10000? 100000? 1000000? 1K? 1M? 1G? 1kb? 1mb? 1gb? This problem seems to arise here on account of Ludwig's new snapshot announcements, which seem to get sent before mirrors get a chance to sync, leaving contact attempts limited to an overloaded source from which mirrors are trying to sync. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Am 2015-07-29 20:05, schrieb Felix Miata:
## Sets the minimum download speed (bytes per second) ## until the connection is dropped ## This can be useful to prevent security attacks on hosts by ## providing updates at very low speeds. ## ## 0 means no limit ## # download.min_download_speed =
How many BPS would be appropriate? There is no man page for zypp.conf. The only guidance is as I pasted above, which is to say in practical terms, none. Should it be 1000? 10000? 100000? 1000000? 1K? 1M? 1G? 1kb? 1mb? 1gb?
Setting this per default can have caveats since even here in Austria people have very different internet connections speeds ranging from 768 kBit/s in rural areas up to 250 MBit/s. Maybe we need a user-query in Yast's Installation or any automatic check for users to set their internet connection speed. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Hello, On Jul 31 09:38 Thomas Wagner wrote (excerpt):
... here in Austria people have very different internet connections speeds ranging from 768 kBit/s in rural areas up to 250 MBit/s. Maybe we need a user-query in Yast's Installation or any automatic check for users to set their internet connection speed.
Only for fun an imaginary user complaint: "There is a bug in YaST: I am in Austria rural area. I have set in YaST my Internet connection speed to 250 MBit/s but it is still very slow." Have a nice weekend! Kind Regards Johannes Meixner -- SUSE LINUX GmbH - GF: Felix Imendoerffer, Jane Smithard, Dilip Upmanyu, Graham Norton - HRB 21284 (AG Nuernberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 2015-07-31 09:52, Johannes Meixner wrote:
Only for fun an imaginary user complaint:
"There is a bug in YaST: I am in Austria rural area. I have set in YaST my Internet connection speed to 250 MBit/s but it is still very slow."
LOL. I have that problem since I changed to fibre. Some times yast goes at modem speeds. Seriously, I had not noticed the issue till I upgraded my connection. Previously my internet was too slow to notice. Now my pipe is bigger than the pipe of some web sites! -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
Am Freitag, 31. Juli 2015, 13:27:54 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
On 2015-07-31 09:52, Johannes Meixner wrote:
Only for fun an imaginary user complaint: "There is a bug in YaST: I am in Austria rural area.
I have set in YaST my Internet connection speed to 250 MBit/s but it is still very slow."
LOL. I have that problem since I changed to fibre. Some times yast goes at modem speeds.
Seriously, I had not noticed the issue till I upgraded my connection. Previously my internet was too slow to notice. Now my pipe is bigger than the pipe of some web sites!
I think Johannes meant it the other way around. That this hypotetical person froma rural area has only a slow internet connection but because in YaST he sets it to 250 MBit/s he expects it to suddenly go faster. And let me add this is not so hypotetical scenario at all. -- Stefan Kunze SUSE Dispatch Engineer ________________________________________________________________ SUSE Linux GmbH, GF: Felix Imendörffer, Jane Smithard, Dilip Upmanyu, Graham Norton, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, D-90409 Nürnberg
On 2015-07-31 14:58, Stefan Kunze wrote:
I think Johannes meant it the other way around. That this hypotetical person froma rural area has only a slow internet connection but because in YaST he sets it to 250 MBit/s he expects it to suddenly go faster.
Oh, LOL X'-) -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
Hello, On Jul 31 14:58 Stefan Kunze wrote (excerpt):
I think Johannes meant it the other way around.
Yes.
And let me add this is not so hypotetical scenario at all.
Very likely also yes. Furthermore I meant that the idea to add something in YaST that is intended to "fix" an issue may not lead to the expected results but may cause more issues. In general: User: "I tried 'foo' but it does not work." Expert: "You need to do 'bar' before in YaST." This way is bad user experience. Kind Regards Johannes Meixner -- SUSE LINUX GmbH - GF: Felix Imendoerffer, Jane Smithard, Dilip Upmanyu, Graham Norton - HRB 21284 (AG Nuernberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 2015-07-29 18:59, Felix Miata wrote:
Anything in your continent is close enough in Internet terms. Kilometres are irrelevant, what matters is the pipe type and size.
Obscure things. Maybe such things should be part of the mirrors list?
They do, more or less. As I said, anything in the same continent is close :-) I remember a problem years ago, when they had to consider that South America is not the same continent as North America, because the pipe is not big enough. It can be measured by actual download speed by clients. Maybe YaST/zypper could send back performance data to mirrorbrain. Or simply by YaST saying "this mirror is too slow, give me another". -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 29.7.2015 21:07, Carlos E. R. wrote:
It can be measured by actual download speed by clients. Maybe YaST/zypper could send back performance data to mirrorbrain. Or simply by YaST saying "this mirror is too slow, give me another".
Yast/Installer is not the one who downloads the data, so it should not measure the speed and should not decide to jump to another server. It's actually libzypp. Anyway, the problem of measuring the max connection speed versus max mirror speed is that there is no way of getting the "max" info. You always get some "current" speed from a "selected" server. Also asking user for their connection speed sounds like from the 20th century. Either we can detect it or do not bother users with such questions. All in all, having some decent default in libzypp configurations sounds like a good idea. Would that be, e.g., 16kb/s? But libzypp, again, should be clever enough, that if it's getting such a slow speed from two or three servers, it /might/ be actually client or general connection issue. Bye Lukas - -- Lukas Ocilka, Systems Management (Yast) Team Leader SLE Department, SUSE Linux -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iEYEARECAAYFAlW/W+0ACgkQVSqMdRCqTix3eQCgm9w2HbzUwQr9q832K73ah409 LNcAnjQSDx0oXMHwsS6WjRvZ0ydHqMB5 =iWdn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-08-03 14:17, Lukas Ocilka wrote:
On 29.7.2015 21:07, Carlos E. R. wrote:
All in all, having some decent default in libzypp configurations sounds like a good idea. Would that be, e.g., 16kb/s? But libzypp, again, should be clever enough, that if it's getting such a slow speed from two or three servers, it /might/ be actually client or general connection issue.
Well, whichever be, libzypp or yast, might automatically (with opt-in) send feedback information to mirror brain about the actual download speed they get for each part. Then mirror brain can aggregate the reports and find out what distribution of speeds clients are getting from each server, and make decisions on that data. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlW/Yp8ACgkQja8UbcUWM1yTYAD/WkleZFlslfcDjlVfCAxiyy+J Ov51A+RAEvvqx2fjnwEA/2kh81I3JY8B3pkWI2y6HNoG+8wS90r9sML9jlIilomv =v4lX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
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Andreas Schwab -
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Carlos E. R. -
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Johannes Meixner -
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Patrick Shanahan -
Stefan Kunze -
Steven Hess -
Thomas Wagner