[opensuse-factory] zypper -v up/dup process info
Doing a dup or up on a vtty, this is a typical result here: ... xcompmgr 1.1.7-1.2 -> 1.1.7-1.3 xconsole 1.0.6-5.3 -> 1.0.6-5.4 xcursorgen 1.0.6-3.3 -> 1.0.6-3.4 xdbedizzy 1.1.0-9.3 -> 1.1.0-9.4 xdg-utils 20151005-1.1 -> 20151219-2.1 xditview 1.0.4-1.2 -> 1.0.4-1.3 xdm 1.1.11-16.1 -> 1.1.11-18.1 xdpyinfo 1.3.2-1.2 -> 1.3.2-1.3 xedit 1.2.2-1.2 -> 1.2.2-1.3 xev 1.2.2-1.2 -> 1.2.2-1.3 xeyes 1.1.1-10.3 -> 1.1.1-10.4 xf86-input-evdev 2.10.0-2.1 -> 2.10.1-1.1 xf86-video-ati 7.6.1-1.1 -> 7.6.1-1.2 xf86-video-intel 2.99.917-4.2 -> 2.99.917-5.1 xf86-video-r128 6.10.0-1.3 -> 6.10.1-1.1 xf86dga 1.0.3-9.2 -> 1.0.3-9.3 xfd 1.1.2-6.2 -> 1.1.2-6.3 xfindproxy 1.0.4-1.2 -> 1.0.4-1.3 xfontsel 1.0.5-6.3 -> 1.0.5-6.4 xfs 1.1.4-3.3 -> 1.1.4-3.4 xfsinfo 1.0.5-2.1 -> 1.0.5-2.2 xfwp 1.0.3-5.3 -> 1.0.3-5.4 xgamma 1.0.6-1.2 -> 1.0.6-1.3 xgc 1.0.5-1.2 -> 1.0.5-1.3 xhost 1.0.7-1.2 -> 1.0.7-1.3 xinetd 2.3.15-10.1 -> 2.3.15-10.2 xinit 1.3.4-6.2 -> 1.3.4-6.3 xkbcomp 1.3.1-1.1 -> 1.3.1-1.2 xkbevd 1.1.4-1.2 -> 1.1.4-1.3 xkbprint 1.0.4-1.2 -> 1.0.4-1.3 xkeyboard-config 2.16-1.1 -> 2.17-1.1 xkill 1.0.4-6.2 -> 1.0.4-6.3 xli 20061110-149.3 -> 20061110-149.4 xload 1.1.2-5.2 -> 1.1.2-5.3 xlogo 1.0.4-10.2 -> 1.0.4-10.3 xlsatoms 1.1.2-1.2 -> 1.1.2-1.3 xlsclients 1.1.3-6.2 -> 1.1.3-6.3 xlsfonts 1.0.5-1.2 -> 1.0.5-1.3 xmag 1.0.6-1.2 -> 1.0.6-1.3 xman 1.1.4-1.2 -> 1.1.4-1.3 xmh 1.0.3-1.2 -> 1.0.3-1.3 xmodmap 1.0.9-1.2 -> 1.0.9-1.3 xmore 1.0.2-9.2 -> 1.0.2-9.3 xorg-x11-fonts-core 7.6-31.4 -> 7.6-31.5 xorg-x11-server 7.6_1.18.0-1.1 -> 7.6_1.18.1-3.1 xplsprinters 1.0.1-9.2 -> 1.0.1-9.3 xpr 1.0.4-9.3 -> 1.0.4-9.4 xprehashprinterlist 1.0.1-9.2 -> 1.0.1-9.3 xrandr 1.4.3-3.3 -> 1.5.0-1.1 xrefresh 1.0.5-5.2 -> 1.0.5-5.3 xrestop 0.4-9.4 -> 0.4-9.5 xrx 1.0.4-9.3 -> 1.0.4-9.4 xscope 1.4.1-3.4 -> 1.4.1-3.5 xset 1.2.3-5.4 -> 1.2.3-5.5 xsetmode 1.0.0-9.2 -> 1.0.0-9.3 xsetpointer 1.0.1-9.2 -> 1.0.1-9.3 xsm 1.0.3-5.2 -> 1.0.3-5.3 xstdcmap 1.0.3-5.2 -> 1.0.3-5.3 xtables-plugins 1.6.0~-1.1 -> 1.6.0-1.1 xterm 320-1.2 -> 322-1.1 xterm-bin 320-1.2 -> 322-1.1 xtrap 1.0.2-9.3 -> 1.0.2-9.4 xvidtune 1.0.3-7.2 -> 1.0.3-7.3 xvinfo 1.1.3-1.2 -> 1.1.3-1.3 xwd 1.0.6-5.2 -> 1.0.6-5.3 xwininfo 1.1.3-5.2 -> 1.1.3-5.3 xwud 1.0.4-9.3 -> 1.0.4-9.4 xz 5.2.2-2.1 -> 5.2.2-3.1 yast2 3.1.161-1.1 -> 3.1.176-1.1 yast2-bootloader 3.1.161-1.1 -> 3.1.163-1.1 yast2-branding-openSUSE 3.1.35-1.1 -> 3.1.37-1.1 yast2-control-center 3.1.5-2.3 -> 3.1.6-1.1 yast2-core 3.1.18-1.1 -> 3.1.22-1.1 yast2-country 3.1.24-1.1 -> 3.1.26-1.1 yast2-country-data 3.1.24-1.1 -> 3.1.26-1.1 yast2-hardware-detection 3.1.7-1.3 -> 3.1.7-1.4 yast2-installation 3.1.164-1.1 -> 3.1.171-1.1 yast2-ldap 3.1.13-1.5 -> 3.1.13-1.6 yast2-network 3.1.133-1.1 -> 3.1.143-1.1 yast2-ntp-client 3.1.20-1.1 -> 3.1.21-1.2 yast2-packager 3.1.83-1.1 -> 3.1.90-1.1 yast2-perl-bindings 3.1.2-3.5 -> 3.1.2-3.7 yast2-pkg-bindings 3.1.31-1.1 -> 3.1.32-1.1 yast2-printer 3.1.2-2.4 -> 3.1.3-1.1 yast2-ruby-bindings 3.1.42-1.1 -> 3.1.46-1.1 yast2-samba-client 3.1.15-2.3 -> 3.1.16-1.1 yast2-samba-server 3.1.12-2.3 -> 3.1.13-1.1 yast2-security 3.2.0-1.1 -> 3.2.1-1.1 yast2-services-manager 3.1.41-1.1 -> 3.1.42-1.1 yast2-slp 3.1.7-1.7 -> 3.1.7-1.8 yast2-sound 3.1.8-1.1 -> 3.1.8-1.2 yast2-storage 3.1.73-1.1 -> 3.1.79-1.1 yast2-trans-stats 2.19.0-17.4 -> 2.19.0-17.5 yast2-transfer 3.1.2-1.2 -> 3.1.2-1.3 yast2-update 3.1.34-1.1 -> 3.1.36-1.1 yast2-users 3.1.40-1.1 -> 3.1.45-1.1 yast2-x11 3.1.4-1.1 -> 3.1.4-1.2 yast2-xml 3.1.1-3.4 -> 3.1.1-3.5 yast2-ycp-ui-bindings 3.1.9-1.3 -> 3.1.9-1.4 The following 2 patterns are going to be upgraded: base 20151112-3.1 -> 20151112-9.1 sw_management 20151112-3.1 -> 20151112-9.1 The following package is going to change architecture: perl-XML-XPath 1.13-101.2 -> 1.31-1.1 i586 -> noarch 820 packages to upgrade, 18 new, 1 to change arch. Overall download size: 357.3 MiB. Already cached: 0 B. After the operation, additional 24.4 MiB will be used. Continue? [y/n/? shows all options] (y): Am I the only one who updates TW infrequently and is annoyed that typically, more "upgrades" are displayed than fit a default vtty scrollback buffer, effectively hiding the much more intriguing list of new packages to install? I created a FATE: https://features.opensuse.org/320676 Please register an opinion. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
13.03.2016 05:09, Felix Miata пишет:
Am I the only one who updates TW infrequently and is annoyed that typically, more "upgrades" are displayed than fit a default vtty scrollback buffer, effectively hiding the much more intriguing list of new packages to install? I created a FATE:
You will always miss something. Pragmatic answer - run it under screen with large enough buffer. Running it under screen is recommended anyway ... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Andrei Borzenkov composed on 2016-03-13 08:45 (UTC+0300):
Felix Miata composed:
Am I the only one who updates TW infrequently and is annoyed that typically, more "upgrades" are displayed than fit a default vtty scrollback buffer, effectively hiding the much more intriguing list of new packages to install? I created a FATE:
You will always miss something.
Of course; but why not make the most likely cared about the most prominent, something looking you in the face while typing next after N or Ctrl-C instead of instantly jumping out of sight on that second keystroke?
Pragmatic answer - run it under screen with large enough buffer. Running it under screen is recommended anyway ...
Thought of before writing. Easy enough only if only one or a few installations are involved. Screen is not a default, so a poor workaround. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Sunday 2016-03-13 06:45, Andrei Borzenkov wrote:
13.03.2016 05:09, Felix Miata пишет:
Am I the only one who updates TW infrequently and is annoyed that typically, more "upgrades" are displayed than fit a default vtty scrollback buffer, effectively hiding the much more intriguing list of new packages to install? I created a FATE:
You will always miss something. Pragmatic answer - run it under screen with large enough buffer. Running it under screen is recommended anyway ...
You do not need a huge buffer, just turn on logging-to-file. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Sunday, March 13, 2016 8:45:17 AM PDT Jan Engelhardt wrote:
On Sunday 2016-03-13 06:45, Andrei Borzenkov wrote:
13.03.2016 05:09, Felix Miata пишет:
Am I the only one who updates TW infrequently and is annoyed that typically, more "upgrades" are displayed than fit a default vtty scrollback buffer, effectively hiding the much more intriguing list of new packages to install? I created a FATE:
You will always miss something. Pragmatic answer - run it under screen with large enough buffer. Running it under screen is recommended anyway ...
You do not need a huge buffer, just turn on logging-to-file.
How does one do that ... "turn on logging-to-file"? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Carl Symons composed on 2016-03-13 09:31 (UTC-0700):
Jan Engelhardt wrote:
Andrei Borzenkov wrote:
Felix Miata composed:
Am I the only one who updates TW infrequently and is annoyed that typically, more "upgrades" are displayed than fit a default vtty scrollback buffer, effectively hiding the much more intriguing list of new packages to install? I created a FATE:
You will always miss something. Pragmatic answer - run it under screen with large enough buffer. Running it under screen is recommended anyway ...
You do not need a huge buffer, just turn on logging-to-file.
How does one do that ... "turn on logging-to-file"?
And what does logging-to-gile accomplish that dumping a new packages listing instead of listing old packages to be updated right in your face does not? -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Sunday, March 13, 2016 1:24:05 PM PDT Felix Miata wrote:
Carl Symons composed on 2016-03-13 09:31 (UTC-0700):
Jan Engelhardt wrote:
Andrei Borzenkov wrote:
Felix Miata composed:
Am I the only one who updates TW infrequently and is annoyed that typically, more "upgrades" are displayed than fit a default vtty scrollback buffer, effectively hiding the much more intriguing list of new packages to install? I created a FATE:
You will always miss something. Pragmatic answer - run it under screen with large enough buffer. Running it under screen is recommended anyway ...
You do not need a huge buffer, just turn on logging-to-file.
How does one do that ... "turn on logging-to-file"?
And what does logging-to-gile accomplish that dumping a new packages listing instead of listing old packages to be updated right in your face does not?
It decreases complaining. It reduces the effort required from someone who apparently is not all that interested or who may not see this issue as something that needs to be fixed. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Carl Symons composed on 2016-03-13 15:13 (UTC-0500):
On Sunday, March 13, 2016 1:24:05 PM PDT Felix Miata wrote:
Carl Symons composed on 2016-03-13 09:31 (UTC-0700):
Jan Engelhardt wrote:
Andrei Borzenkov wrote:
Felix Miata composed:
Am I the only one who updates TW infrequently and is annoyed that typically, more "upgrades" are displayed than fit a default vtty scrollback buffer, effectively hiding the much more intriguing list of new packages to install? I created a FATE:
You will always miss something. Pragmatic answer - run it under screen with large enough buffer. Running it under screen is recommended anyway ...
You do not need a huge buffer, just turn on logging-to-file.
How does one do that ... "turn on logging-to-file"?
And what does logging-to-gile accomplish that dumping a new packages listing instead of listing old packages to be updated right in your face does not?
It decreases complaining.
How?
It reduces the effort required from someone who apparently is not all that interested or who may not see this issue as something that needs to be fixed.
Not doing something is not doing something. In the real world, effort cannot be reduced below zero. What is logging-to-file, another component of that morass that is systemd's journal? How often does anyone using the -v switch on zypper up/dup actually care at all about the current most prominently displayed output? -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Felix Miata writes:
How often does anyone using the -v switch on zypper up/dup actually care at all about the current most prominently displayed output?
What I do is "zypper sh", which gives me the option of switching the output verbosity of the commands and requesting for most of it to be run through a pager. Regards, Achim. -- +<[Q+ Matrix-12 WAVE#46+305 Neuron microQkb Andromeda XTk Blofeld]>+ Wavetables for the Waldorf Blofeld: http://Synth.Stromeko.net/Downloads.html#BlofeldUserWavetables -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Sunday, March 13, 2016 3:26:39 PM PDT Felix Miata wrote:
Carl Symons composed on 2016-03-13 15:13 (UTC-0500):
On Sunday, March 13, 2016 1:24:05 PM PDT Felix Miata wrote:
Carl Symons composed on 2016-03-13 09:31 (UTC-0700):
Jan Engelhardt wrote:
Andrei Borzenkov wrote:
Felix Miata composed: > Am I the only one who updates TW infrequently and is annoyed that > typically, more "upgrades" are displayed than fit a default vtty > scrollback buffer, effectively hiding the much more intriguing list > of > new packages to install? I created a FATE: > > https://features.opensuse.org/320676
You will always miss something. Pragmatic answer - run it under screen with large enough buffer. Running it under screen is recommended anyway ...
You do not need a huge buffer, just turn on logging-to-file.
How does one do that ... "turn on logging-to-file"?
And what does logging-to-gile accomplish that dumping a new packages listing instead of listing old packages to be updated right in your face does not?> It decreases complaining.
How?
The answer will probably become clearer.
It reduces the effort required from someone who apparently is not all that interested or who may not see this issue as something that needs to be fixed.
Not doing something is not doing something. In the real world, effort cannot be reduced below zero.
Someone who is already doing something is already doing something, and any task not done reduces their overall effort expenditure. In the real world, everyone who disagrees with me is irrational.
What is logging-to-file, another component of that morass that is systemd's journal?
Morass please. That question has been asked with more persuasive pleasant words ...How does one "turn on logging-to-file"?
How often does anyone using the -v switch on zypper up/dup actually care at all about the current most prominently displayed output?
This happens somewhere in the world approximately every 13 hours and 45 minutes. It's hard to tell if the -v switchers _actually_ care. They may be doing it just for fun. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Sunday 2016-03-13 20:26, Felix Miata wrote:
with large enough buffer. Running it under screen is recommended anyway You do not need a huge buffer, just turn on logging-to-file.
What is logging-to-file, another component of that morass that is systemd's journal?
Yeah sure. Anything that makes you quit using systemd-loaded distros would entertain me. Logging-to-file refers to screen's ^A H key sequence. Or you could also use the normal, well-known "logging-to-file" - redirection - known by "zypper 2>&1 | tee blah". -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Hello, Am Samstag, 12. März 2016, 21:09:39 CET schrieb Felix Miata:
820 packages to upgrade, 18 new, 1 to change arch. Overall download size: 357.3 MiB. Already cached: 0 B. After the operation, additional 24.4 MiB will be used. Continue? [y/n/? shows all options] (y):
Typing ? is the key here - it will offer more options, for example g - View the summary in pager. and that whould give you what you want. Of course you can type g without using ? before, I just wanted to show the way how to find it.
Am I the only one who updates TW infrequently and is annoyed that typically, more "upgrades" are displayed than fit a default vtty scrollback buffer, effectively hiding the much more intriguing list of new packages to install? I created a FATE:
https://features.opensuse.org/320676
Please register an opinion.
There's always room for improvement (use the pager by default if there's more output than what fits on the screen?), but with the "View the summary in pager" key in mind, I'd say we probably have some more important issues to fix ;-) Regards, Christian Boltz -- [Re: Wie krieg ich meinen Ratti in mutt zurueck?] In der procmail einfach angeben: formail -I From: ratti@gesindel.de (Ratti) Dann sind _ALLE_ Mails von Ratti. [Ratti (welcher denn? ;-) in suse-linux] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Christian Boltz composed on 2016-03-13 21:19 (UTC+0100):
Felix Miata composed:
820 packages to upgrade, 18 new, 1 to change arch. Overall download size: 357.3 MiB. Already cached: 0 B. After the operation, additional 24.4 MiB will be used. Continue? [y/n/? shows all options] (y):
Typing ? is the key here - it will offer more options, for example
g - View the summary in pager.
and that whould give you what you want.
Three keystrokes on every -v up/dup instance instead of zero.
Of course you can type g without using ? before, I just wanted to show the way how to find it.
For sure, nice to know.
Am I the only one who updates TW infrequently and is annoyed that typically, more "upgrades" are displayed than fit a default vtty scrollback buffer, effectively hiding the much more intriguing list of new packages to install? I created a FATE:
Please register an opinion.
There's always room for improvement (use the pager by default if there's more output than what fits on the screen?), but with the "View the summary in pager" key in mind, I'd say we probably have some more important issues to fix ;-)
I filed a FATE, not a bug. I have to guess the change I suggested would involve little more than flipping a couple of parameters or lines incidentally to fixing on some more important issue. :-) -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 2016-03-13 21:19, Christian Boltz wrote:
Hello,
Am Samstag, 12. März 2016, 21:09:39 CET schrieb Felix Miata:
820 packages to upgrade, 18 new, 1 to change arch. Overall download size: 357.3 MiB. Already cached: 0 B. After the operation, additional 24.4 MiB will be used. Continue? [y/n/? shows all options] (y):
Typing ? is the key here - it will offer more options, for example
g - View the summary in pager.
and that whould give you what you want.
Of course you can type g without using ? before, I just wanted to show the way how to find it.
It's a very little known feature. Perhaps a hint somehow, somewhere, about it would be good :-) -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
"Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@telefonica.net> writes:
On 2016-03-13 21:19, Christian Boltz wrote:
Hello,
Am Samstag, 12. März 2016, 21:09:39 CET schrieb Felix Miata:
820 packages to upgrade, 18 new, 1 to change arch. Overall download size: 357.3 MiB. Already cached: 0 B. After the operation, additional 24.4 MiB will be used. Continue? [y/n/? shows all options] (y):
Typing ? is the key here - it will offer more options, for example
g - View the summary in pager.
and that whould give you what you want.
Of course you can type g without using ? before, I just wanted to show the way how to find it.
It's a very little known feature. Perhaps a hint somehow, somewhere, about it would be good :-)
You mean something like "? shows all options"? Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, SUSE Labs, schwab@suse.de GPG Key fingerprint = 0196 BAD8 1CE9 1970 F4BE 1748 E4D4 88E3 0EEA B9D7 "And now for something completely different." -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 11:36 AM, Andreas Schwab <schwab@suse.de> wrote:
"Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@telefonica.net> writes:
On 2016-03-13 21:19, Christian Boltz wrote:
Hello,
Am Samstag, 12. März 2016, 21:09:39 CET schrieb Felix Miata:
820 packages to upgrade, 18 new, 1 to change arch. Overall download size: 357.3 MiB. Already cached: 0 B. After the operation, additional 24.4 MiB will be used. Continue? [y/n/? shows all options] (y):
Typing ? is the key here - it will offer more options, for example
g - View the summary in pager.
and that whould give you what you want.
Of course you can type g without using ? before, I just wanted to show the way how to find it.
It's a very little known feature. Perhaps a hint somehow, somewhere, about it would be good :-)
You mean something like "? shows all options"?
Mentioning this in man page would help too. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 2016-03-14 09:36, Andreas Schwab wrote:
"Carlos E. R." <> writes:
It's a very little known feature. Perhaps a hint somehow, somewhere, about it would be good :-)
You mean something like "? shows all options"?
I don't know. Perhaps something when the text is bigger than the screen hinting that there are commands to page up and see that text. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
On 13 Mar 2016 3:09 am, "Felix Miata" <mrmazda@earthlink.net> wrote:
Please register an opinion.
My opinion is that users who explicitly ask for additional information by using the non-default -v switch should not be perturbed when they receive more information than their tty of choice can display Be careful what you wish for :) There is plenty of other ways to mitigate the 'problem' of receiving too much information when requesting it, such as using screen or logging I do not agree with the argument that 'screen' is not a valid solution as it is not a default option... using -v isn't a default option either -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Richard Brown composed on 2016-03-13 22:22 (UTC+0100):
Felix Miata wrote:
Please register an opinion.
My opinion is that users who explicitly ask for additional information by using the non-default -v switch should not be perturbed when they receive more information than their tty of choice can display
The request was for better information provision, not more information provision - different sort order, same info.
Be careful what you wish for :)
There is plenty of other ways to mitigate the 'problem' of receiving too much information when requesting it, such as using screen or logging
All the others require more keystrokes and time per invocation, no?
I do not agree with the argument that 'screen' is not a valid solution as it is not a default option... using -v isn't a default option either
Most times I don't use -v with up/dup I wind up canceling and repeating with it. Here, -v amounts to a default option with up/dup. That huge blob of hundreds of packages filling the whole width of screen without using -v is little other than annoying. I find it surprising this thread generated the negativity it has. It's no more than a suggestion how to widen the gap between the best package manager and all the rest, which it is in large part because of so many little things, like this would be, that it does better on top of the larger things it does better, e.g how it translates install to mean upgrade when a listed package(s) is installed but in an older version. Why such objection to a FATE (not a "bug") that likely would be rather trivial to implement? -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> writes:
Most times I don't use -v with up/dup I wind up canceling and repeating with it.
Type 'd' instead. It's less keystrokes. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, SUSE Labs, schwab@suse.de GPG Key fingerprint = 0196 BAD8 1CE9 1970 F4BE 1748 E4D4 88E3 0EEA B9D7 "And now for something completely different." -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Andreas Schwab composed on 2016-03-14 09:37 (UTC+0100):
Felix Miata writes:
Most times I don't use -v with up/dup I wind up canceling and repeating with it.
Type 'd' instead. It's less keystrokes.
Where/when? In the zypper man page it makes several appearances, none of which seem to fit this thread: detail disable download-only (force) download (build) deps debug descriptions directory -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> writes:
Andreas Schwab composed on 2016-03-14 09:37 (UTC+0100):
Felix Miata writes:
Most times I don't use -v with up/dup I wind up canceling and repeating with it.
Type 'd' instead. It's less keystrokes.
Where/when?
"? shows all options". Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, SUSE Labs, schwab@suse.de GPG Key fingerprint = 0196 BAD8 1CE9 1970 F4BE 1748 E4D4 88E3 0EEA B9D7 "And now for something completely different." -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
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