[opensuse-factory] DVD iso?
Searching for the Alpa5 I thought: Is it be much extra effort to make available (and also get tested!) the DVD iso at the same time as the CD isos? DVDRW burners have been usual several years and simplify the inflation of amounts of disks and the installation work itself. Just my suggestion. Rgds, Terje J. Hanssen --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, 5 Oct 2006, Terje J. Hanssen wrote:
Searching for the Alpa5 I thought: Is it be much extra effort to make available (and also get tested!) the DVD iso at the same time as the CD isos?
Actually, with Alpha5 we will _only_ release DVD ISOs* ;) Regards, Christoph *) because of some bugs in media change handling (#210208). --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Hi, On Thu, 5 Oct 2006, Christoph Thiel wrote:
On Thu, 5 Oct 2006, Terje J. Hanssen wrote:
Searching for the Alpa5 I thought: Is it be much extra effort to make available (and also get tested!) the DVD iso at the same time as the CD isos?
Actually, with Alpha5 we will _only_ release DVD ISOs* ;)
A proud decision, if you are aware that not even the apache from SUSE-10.0 is able to deliver files > 2 GB. And the 10.0 firefox is unable too. ftp.gwdg.de will only be able to deliver this via rsync. But anyways, the mirrors will be glad not to have to serve both. Cheers -e -- Eberhard Moenkeberg (emoenke@gwdg.de, em@kki.org) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, 5 Oct 2006, Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote:
Searching for the Alpa5 I thought: Is it be much extra effort to make available (and also get tested!) the DVD iso at the same time as the CD isos?
Actually, with Alpha5 we will _only_ release DVD ISOs* ;)
A proud decision, if you are aware that not even the apache from SUSE-10.0 is able to deliver files > 2 GB. And the 10.0 firefox is unable too.
ftp.gwdg.de will only be able to deliver this via rsync.
ftp-1.gwdg.de should be able to deal with it!
But anyways, the mirrors will be glad not to have to serve both.
This is just done by way of an exception, because the media (cd) change handling is currently broken and installing from CDs thereby impossible. With the upcoming Beta1 we will try to only release CD ISOs again. Regards, Christoph --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Hi, On Thu, 5 Oct 2006, Christoph Thiel wrote:
On Thu, 5 Oct 2006, Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote:
Searching for the Alpa5 I thought: Is it be much extra effort to make available (and also get tested!) the DVD iso at the same time as the CD isos?
Actually, with Alpha5 we will _only_ release DVD ISOs* ;)
A proud decision, if you are aware that not even the apache from SUSE-10.0 is able to deliver files > 2 GB. And the 10.0 firefox is unable too.
ftp.gwdg.de will only be able to deliver this via rsync.
ftp-1.gwdg.de should be able to deal with it!
Yes. ftp-1 is running SLES9 - ftp, http, rsync are working fine with files
2 GB.
But anyways, the mirrors will be glad not to have to serve both.
This is just done by way of an exception, because the media (cd) change handling is currently broken and installing from CDs thereby impossible.
With the upcoming Beta1 we will try to only release CD ISOs again.
OK. The biggest prayer is "not double"... Cheers -e -- Eberhard Moenkeberg (emoenke@gwdg.de, em@kki.org) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Hi, does anyone know, if the current factory tree is the same as 10.2 alpha5. If this is the case I don't have to download the images. On Thu, 5 Oct 2006, Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote:
Hi,
On Thu, 5 Oct 2006, Christoph Thiel wrote:
On Thu, 5 Oct 2006, Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote:
Searching for the Alpa5 I thought: Is it be much extra effort to make available (and also get tested!) the DVD iso at the same time as the CD isos?
Actually, with Alpha5 we will _only_ release DVD ISOs* ;)
A proud decision, if you are aware that not even the apache from SUSE-10.0 is able to deliver files > 2 GB. And the 10.0 firefox is unable too.
ftp.gwdg.de will only be able to deliver this via rsync.
ftp-1.gwdg.de should be able to deal with it!
Yes. ftp-1 is running SLES9 - ftp, http, rsync are working fine with files
2 GB.
But anyways, the mirrors will be glad not to have to serve both.
This is just done by way of an exception, because the media (cd) change handling is currently broken and installing from CDs thereby impossible.
With the upcoming Beta1 we will try to only release CD ISOs again.
OK. The biggest prayer is "not double"...
Cheers -e -- Eberhard Moenkeberg (emoenke@gwdg.de, em@kki.org) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
-- Andreas Klein Andreas.C.Klein@physik.uni-wuerzburg.de --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Hi, On Thu, 5 Oct 2006, Andreas Klein wrote:
does anyone know, if the current factory tree is the same as 10.2 alpha5. If this is the case I don't have to download the images.
We need an "official" statement about this - Christoph? And in case of "not yet" please say "now" when "yes". Cheers -e -- Eberhard Moenkeberg (emoenke@gwdg.de, em@kki.org) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, 5 Oct 2006, Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote:
does anyone know, if the current factory tree is the same as 10.2 alpha5. If this is the case I don't have to download the images.
We need an "official" statement about this - Christoph? And in case of "not yet" please say "now" when "yes".
It's almost at Alpha5 stage -- the next sync should bring them up to par. We will disable Factory-syncing for a couple of days, as soon as it's up-to-date. (OpenOffice_org is still building on x86_64 + ppc will take some more time to finish up!) Best, Christoph --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Hi, On Thu, 5 Oct 2006, Christoph Thiel wrote:
On Thu, 5 Oct 2006, Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote:
does anyone know, if the current factory tree is the same as 10.2 alpha5. If this is the case I don't have to download the images.
We need an "official" statement about this - Christoph? And in case of "not yet" please say "now" when "yes".
It's almost at Alpha5 stage -- the next sync should bring them up to par. We will disable Factory-syncing for a couple of days, as soon as it's up-to-date. (OpenOffice_org is still building on x86_64 + ppc will take some more time to finish up!)
Thanks. So please say "now" when fully "yes". Cheers -e -- Eberhard Moenkeberg (emoenke@gwdg.de, em@kki.org) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Eberhard Moenkeberg <emoenke@gwdg.de> writes:
Hi,
On Thu, 5 Oct 2006, Andreas Klein wrote:
does anyone know, if the current factory tree is the same as 10.2 alpha5. If this is the case I don't have to download the images.
We need an "official" statement about this - Christoph? And in case of "not yet" please say "now" when "yes".
We screwed up with factory. It contains 99 % of the packages from Alpha5 but the installation image (which you need to install via a boot iso, is too old: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 86638592 2006-10-04 10:20 FACTORY/inst-source/boot/i386/root We have just checked in new packages (and then noticed that the last update run missed this) so that the next major sync to FACTORY will not only contain an updated installation image but also packages after Alpha5 :-(. There's no easy way for us to fix this now - and therefore I will not stop the syncing of factory, Sorry, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
Andreas Klein <Andreas.C.Klein@physik.uni-wuerzburg.de> writes:
Hi,
does anyone know, if the current factory tree is the same as 10.2 alpha5. If this is the case I don't have to download the images.
I'll let you know when it is. To check yourself: ls -l FACTORY/inst-source/boot/i386/ currently has: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 16676902 2006-10-04 10:20 root.fonts -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 86638592 2006-10-04 10:20 root But those should be: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 16679829 2006-10-05 11:00 root.fonts -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 86634496 2006-10-05 11:00 root The sync should go this afternoon, I'll watch it and inform you, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
Op vrijdag 6 oktober 2006 08:28, schreef Andreas Jaeger:
Andreas Klein <Andreas.C.Klein@physik.uni-wuerzburg.de> writes:
Hi,
does anyone know, if the current factory tree is the same as 10.2 alpha5. If this is the case I don't have to download the images.
I'll let you know when it is. To check yourself:
ls -l FACTORY/inst-source/boot/i386/ currently has: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 16676902 2006-10-04 10:20 root.fonts -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 86638592 2006-10-04 10:20 root
But those should be: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 16679829 2006-10-05 11:00 root.fonts -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 86634496 2006-10-05 11:00 root
The sync should go this afternoon, I'll watch it and inform you,
Andreas
An bootdisk would be nice Andreas. For those without DVD-burner and that want to use the DVD-image as source. It's only +/- 20megs Azerion --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Azerion <azerion@gmail.com> writes:
Op vrijdag 6 oktober 2006 08:28, schreef Andreas Jaeger:
Andreas Klein <Andreas.C.Klein@physik.uni-wuerzburg.de> writes:
Hi,
does anyone know, if the current factory tree is the same as 10.2 alpha5. If this is the case I don't have to download the images.
I'll let you know when it is. To check yourself:
ls -l FACTORY/inst-source/boot/i386/ currently has: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 16676902 2006-10-04 10:20 root.fonts -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 86638592 2006-10-04 10:20 root
But those should be: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 16679829 2006-10-05 11:00 root.fonts -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 86634496 2006-10-05 11:00 root
The sync should go this afternoon, I'll watch it and inform you,
Andreas
An bootdisk would be nice Andreas. For those without DVD-burner and that want to use the DVD-image as source. It's only +/- 20megs
I'll add it - it will take some more time to get distributed, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
"Terje J. Hanssen" <nteknikk@monet.no> writes:
Searching for the Alpa5 I thought: Is it be much extra effort to make available (and also get tested!) the DVD iso at the same time as the CD isos? DVDRW burners have been usual several years and simplify the inflation of amounts of disks and the installation work itself. Just my suggestion.
Terje, as Eberhard said: Our mirrors cannot server both. It's also double the bandwith to sync out from us to them in a short time. Therefore we only make one set available - and CDs are easier to sync since DVDs are larger than 2 GB which will cause problems for some mirrors. Just with Alpha5 the CDs did not install at all, so we have this time DVDs only instead, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
fre, 06,.10.2006 kl. 08.30 +0200, skrev Andreas Jaeger:
Terje, as Eberhard said: Our mirrors cannot server both. It's also double the bandwith to sync out from us to them in a short time.
Therefore we only make one set available - and CDs are easier to sync since DVDs are larger than 2 GB which will cause problems for some mirrors. Just with Alpha5 the CDs did not install at all, so we have this time DVDs only instead,
Andreas
Would it be possible to get the dvdisos as torrents only? Since that wouldn't kill the mirrrors, and keep us "dvds rule" bunch happy. Bjørn Lie --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Bjørn Lie <bjorn.lie@gmail.com> writes:
fre, 06,.10.2006 kl. 08.30 +0200, skrev Andreas Jaeger:
Terje, as Eberhard said: Our mirrors cannot server both. It's also double the bandwith to sync out from us to them in a short time.
Therefore we only make one set available - and CDs are easier to sync since DVDs are larger than 2 GB which will cause problems for some mirrors. Just with Alpha5 the CDs did not install at all, so we have this time DVDs only instead,
Andreas
Would it be possible to get the dvdisos as torrents only? Since that wouldn't kill the mirrrors, and keep us "dvds rule" bunch happy.
Mmmh, I'll discuss this with our folks here, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
Am Friday 06 October 2006 17:08 schrieb Bjørn Lie:
fre, 06,.10.2006 kl. 08.30 +0200, skrev Andreas Jaeger:
Terje, as Eberhard said: Our mirrors cannot server both. It's also double the bandwith to sync out from us to them in a short time.
Therefore we only make one set available - and CDs are easier to sync since DVDs are larger than 2 GB which will cause problems for some mirrors. Just with Alpha5 the CDs did not install at all, so we have this time DVDs only instead,
Andreas
Would it be possible to get the dvdisos as torrents only? Since that wouldn't kill the mirrrors, and keep us "dvds rule" bunch happy.
The problem is that BitTorrent as P2P is not everywhere allowed. There are large companies and universities who do block all P2P traffic. Even some providers do so. So we do need definitive also the classic images. bye adrian -- Adrian Schroeter SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany email: adrian@suse.de --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, 2006-10-06 at 17:45 +0200, Adrian Schröter wrote:
The problem is that BitTorrent as P2P is not everywhere allowed. There are large companies and universities who do block all P2P traffic. Even some providers do so.
A big problem for those of us non degroupé on Free in France, VMware virtual images are often only on bit torrent even though they are often very small, it's a real PITA that the film/music bunch have killed it for everyone else. -- Dave Cotton <dcotton@linuxautrement.com> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
The problem is that BitTorrent as P2P is not everywhere allowed. There are large companies and universities who do block all P2P traffic. Even some providers do so.
So we do need definitive also the classic images.
The question was to make images available on bittorrent as well, not exclusively. Some providers/organisations blocking it shouldn't be a good enough reason to withdraw it from everyone else as well. Volker -- Volker Kuhlmann is list0570 with the domain in header http://volker.dnsalias.net/ Please do not CC list postings to me. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
fre, 06,.10.2006 kl. 17.45 +0200, skrev Adrian Schröter:
The problem is that BitTorrent as P2P is not everywhere allowed. There are large companies and universities who do block all P2P traffic. Even some providers do so.
So we do need definitive also the classic images.
bye adrian
No no, I did not mean to remove the classic images, just offer the DVDs in addition, but only as torrents, since the mirrors cant handle the load of it all. Those who want the cd-isos, can download them over http/ftp/rsync or torrent, like before. Bjørn Lie --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Andreas Jaeger <aj@suse.de> writes:
"Terje J. Hanssen" <nteknikk@monet.no> writes:
Searching for the Alpa5 I thought: Is it be much extra effort to make available (and also get tested!) the DVD iso at the same time as the CD isos? DVDRW burners have been usual several years and simplify the inflation of amounts of disks and the installation work itself. Just my suggestion.
Terje, as Eberhard said: Our mirrors cannot server both. It's also double the bandwith to sync out from us to them in a short time.
Therefore we only make one set available - and CDs are easier to sync since DVDs are larger than 2 GB which will cause problems for some mirrors. Just with Alpha5 the CDs did not install at all, so we have this time DVDs only instead,
Has support for jigdo already been discussed? That way users could easily build their own DVD isos, without us having to worry about serving big files. I noticed, there has been jigdo support for SL-10.0-OSS. Is there a reason that it is not available for the other distributions? Matthias --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Matthias Koenig <mkoenig@suse.de> writes:
Has support for jigdo already been discussed? That way users could easily build their own DVD isos, without us having to worry about serving big files. I noticed, there has been jigdo support for SL-10.0-OSS. Is there a reason that it is not available for the other distributions?
The jigdo files seems not to have been used at all, there was no real interest in them once they were available, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
Has support for jigdo already been discussed? That way users could easily build their own DVD isos, without us having to worry about serving big files.
The jigdo files seems not to have been used at all, there was no real interest in them once they were available,
This is a real shame. I'm getting quite fed up with this CD flipping, and putting DVD ISOs as well as CD ISOs (and all the files by themselves too) on mirrors is clearly not very smart use of resources. Are you sure the lack of jigdo use for 10.1 didn't have more to do with lack of mentioning this prominently, and making the jigdo files available in the first place? I remember having to beg for them several times before they turned up on somewhere. I think it would also be a good idea to drop CD ISOs from the mirrors (or perhaps all but the first), and make a multi-distro jigdo package available instead. Volker -- Volker Kuhlmann is list0570 with the domain in header http://volker.dnsalias.net/ Please do not CC list postings to me. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, Oct 06, 2006 at 05:56:03PM +0200, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
Matthias Koenig <mkoenig@suse.de> writes:
Has support for jigdo already been discussed? That way users could easily build their own DVD isos, without us having to worry about serving big files. I noticed, there has been jigdo support for SL-10.0-OSS. Is there a reason that it is not available for the other distributions?
The jigdo files seems not to have been used at all, there was no real interest in them once they were available,
Sorry, but this is crap: You always neglected alternative download solutions like Bittorrent or Jigdo by providing that stuff that late that most people have already started to fetch the files from the first mirror they appeared on and thus killing this one almost completely. I suggested multiple times to open Bittorrent already when the mirror servers are preloaded to have a strong set of seeders availlable when the announcement was done. When I did so I was always told that this is possible in principle but it just never happened. The problem with Jigdo was and is that you are shipping multiple versions of the noarch and src packages. I suggested to use all those packages from one architecture for all of them. I was told that this could be changed that way in principle but it never happened. So in my opinion the fact that nobody is using this is a result of how they are offered and all of this stuff seems to be something like a self-fulfilling prophecy. Robert -- Robert Schiele Dipl.-Wirtsch.informatiker mailto:rschiele@gmail.com "Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur."
On Fri, 6 Oct 2006, Matthias Koenig wrote:
Has support for jigdo already been discussed?
The main problem with jigdo files for Alphas is the fact that we would either need to branch ftp trees for that or use the CD images as foundation for jigdo. IMO both doesn't really make sense. Publishing jigdo templates for the final release should be easy. Regards, Christoph --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Andreas Jaeger skrev:
"Terje J. Hanssen" <nteknikk@monet.no> writes:
Searching for the Alpa5 I thought: Is it be much extra effort to make available (and also get tested!) the DVD iso at the same time as the CD isos? DVDRW burners have been usual several years and simplify the inflation of amounts of disks and the installation work itself. Just my suggestion.
Terje, as Eberhard said: Our mirrors cannot server both. It's also double the bandwith to sync out from us to them in a short time.
Therefore we only make one set available - and CDs are easier to sync since DVDs are larger than 2 GB which will cause problems for some mirrors. Just with Alpha5 the CDs did not install at all, so we have this time DVDs only instead,
Wonder if it is possible to burn the DVD from the downloaded CD isos directly, without the need to temporary have dual diskspace available for keeping both the CD isos and DVD iso images? To mentione, Uninett.no has several Linux distros and all of the openSUSE isos available. As nearest for me, they have proved to have faster download than any of the official openSUSE mirrors I've tried: ftp://ftp.uninett.no/linux/opensuse/distribution/ Terje --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
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