Hi, I am querying this over our channels to NVIDIA. Ciao, Marcus On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 06:45:45PM +0100, Richard Brown wrote:

Based purely on hear-say on IRC, it would seem that there was something dreadfully wrong with it that 'wrecked' at least one persons system. I'd suspect that might be a reason the driver was pulled.

I haven't seen any issues myself or heard the full story, but that's my understanding of the situation until someone hopefully adds to this thread with a better explanation of what went on

On 15 December 2013 17:36, Jim Henderson wrote:

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A few days ago, the repository hosted by nVidia for their drivers for oS 13.1 was made available, but the directory seems to have gone missing - anyone know what happened, or who to contact/notify?

We've had a couple questions on the forums about this.

Thanks.

Jim

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2013/12/16 Marcus Meissner :

Hi,

I am querying this over our channels to NVIDIA.

Hi! What's happened with the AMD video drivers? On the Opensuse website, the link for the ATI/AMD video drivers points to the 11.4 version, but for Nvidia is for the 13.1 version: http://en.opensuse.org/Additional_package_repositories#ATI_video_drivers On the Platinum sponsors of openSUSE, appear AMD, but not Nvidia, and I found You give better support for Nvidia than AMD/ATI, when really in the next years, with the becoming of the APUs of AMD and intel, Nvidia will dissapear from the desktop computers. Cheers, Juan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

2013/12/16 Trent Hawkins :

http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:AMD_fglrx

"Warning For openSUSE 13.1 & Tumbleweed, only the Catalyst 13.11 beta 9.4 is supported. The installation (excepted the one-click method is pretty much the same. A new repository has been setup to host the beta versions of FGLRX. see [article on lizards.]"

Sebastian's page is where its at - sebastian-siebert.de

Thanks for the info!

p.s. big call to say nvidia will disappear from desktops

You can see the perfomance of the new AMD APU Kaveri, which performs better than a Intel Core i7 4770K + NVIDIA GeForce GT630: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjAM2zYNqko#t=0 http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Processors/AMD-Spills-more-Kaveri-Beans-AMD-APU... Regards, Juan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 2013-12-17 07:47 (GMT+0100) Michal Kubecek composed:

Juan Erbes composed:

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What's happened with the AMD video drivers?

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On the Opensuse website, the link for the ATI/AMD video drivers points to the 11.4 version, but for Nvidia is for the 13.1 version: http://en.opensuse.org/Additional_package_repositories#ATI_video_drivers

One of the reasons may be that radeon driver works better than noveau so that AMD users are not so desperate to mess up their system with closed source drivers.

The difference is such that I avoid use of NVidia hardware for anything other than limited contributions to development/Factory. Most of my systems have Intel or ATI gfxchips, and I've never ever installed a proprietary driver in any Linux release on any of my own systems, and only one time installed proprietary on an NVidia gfx system not my own at the specific direction of its owner. My experience with Nouveau over time has been very clearly inferior to that with Intel, MGA and Radeon. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 01:15:27 PM Andrey Borzenkov wrote:

On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Felix Miata wrote:

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My experience with Nouveau over time has been very

clearly inferior to that with Intel, MGA and Radeon.

I briefly tested nouveau after update to 13.1 and it was mostly OK (I have once some artifacts on title bar and scrolling was not quite pleasant); the main issue to me was (lack of) performance and thermal management. If this really became better in 3.13 - something to test during next update :)

I installed oC 13.1 and the nouveau driver on an older Dell laptop (that worked with 12.3) and had to turn off desktop effects. Otherwise, the contents of windows was not rendered unless you moved a mouse around in the window. And that was incomplete rendering. Some components did not render at all... -- Yours sincerely, Roger Oberholtzer Ramböll RST / Systems Office: Int +46 10-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 roger.oberholtzer@ramboll.se ________________________________________ Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden www.rambollrst.se -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

2013/12/17 Roger Oberholtzer :

On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 01:15:27 PM Andrey Borzenkov wrote:

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On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Felix Miata wrote:

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My experience with Nouveau over time has been very

clearly inferior to that with Intel, MGA and Radeon.

I briefly tested nouveau after update to 13.1 and it was mostly OK (I have once some artifacts on title bar and scrolling was not quite pleasant); the main issue to me was (lack of) performance and thermal management. If this really became better in 3.13 - something to test during next update :)

I installed oC 13.1 and the nouveau driver on an older Dell laptop (that worked with 12.3) and had to turn off desktop effects. Otherwise, the contents of windows was not rendered unless you moved a mouse around in the window. And that was incomplete rendering. Some components did not render at all...

I got a similar problem with a Compaq laptop with the Nvidia Go 7150 video chip, and they wass impossible to read a text on the screen using the nouveau driver, and for this chip, they are only legacy drivers, which are impossible to install on opensuse 13.1 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

I found the problem with libGL.so.1 and nouveau, "./nvidia-installer --uninstall" didn't put everything back in place. The reply to the bug I submitted asked me to run glxinfo which failed. I then zypper searched on glx and reinstalled 2 packages libva-glx1 and libxcb-glx0. tindog:~ # LIBGLDEBUG=verbose glxinfo name of display: :0 Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig After a reboot, glxinfo worked and my cuSDR64 app now works as it did when the NVidia driver wasn't a problem. That's my cue to give NVidia drivers a rest if not a permanent layoff. Regards Sid. On 17/12/13 20:26, Sid Boyce wrote:

On 17/12/13 09:15, Andrey Borzenkov wrote:

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On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Felix Miata wrote:

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My experience with Nouveau over time has been very clearly inferior to that with Intel, MGA and Radeon.

I briefly tested nouveau after update to 13.1 and it was mostly OK (I have once some artifacts on title bar and scrolling was not quite pleasant); the main issue to me was (lack of) performance and thermal management. If this really became better in 3.13 - something to test during next update :) I shall file a bug as I have and application that links libGL.so.1 and fails saying it needs openGL v2 or later.

There is something it needs that's not supplied by that lib. The same app in Kubuntu 13.10 links the same library and is OK. # rpm -qa|grep opengl python-opengl-accelerate-3.0.2-4.3.x86_64 python-opengl-3.0.2-4.3.noarch

# rpm -qa|grep GL Mesa-libGL1-10.0.0-70.1.x86_64 Mesa-libGLESv1_CM1-10.0.0-70.1.x86_64 Mesa-libGL-devel-10.0.0-70.1.x86_64 Mesa-libGL1-32bit-10.0.0-70.1.x86_64 Mesa-libEGL1-32bit-10.0.0-70.1.x86_64 libGLU1-9.0.0-8.4.x86_64 Mesa-libGLESv2-2-10.0.0-70.1.x86_64 Mesa-libGLESv1_CM-devel-10.0.0-70.1.x86_64 libQtGLib-2_0-0-0.10.3-1.2.x86_64 Mesa-libGLESv2-2-32bit-10.0.0-70.1.x86_64 Mesa-libEGL-devel-10.0.0-70.1.x86_64 Mesa-libEGL1-10.0.0-70.1.x86_64 libGLU1-32bit-9.0.0-8.4.x86_64 libGLEW1_9-1.9.0-6.4.x86_64 Mesa-libGLESv2-devel-10.0.0-70.1.x86_64 Regards Sid.

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On Thursday 2013-12-19 10:42, Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2013-12-19 01:09, Sid Boyce wrote:

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I found the problem with libGL.so.1 and nouveau, "./nvidia-installer --uninstall" didn't put everything back in place.

Of course not, it can not. It replaces some X components, which you have to reinstate by reinstalling some other package I never remember which. xorg, I think. Or perhaps the two you did.

The RPM package does it right, by simply erecting another directory (and if that's just /usr/X11R6/lib and /usr/lib/xorg/**/updates) and placing it higher in the ld.so.conf hierarchy. But upstream nvidia has not understood this and they still mess with your files. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 19/12/13 09:42, Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2013-12-19 01:09, Sid Boyce wrote:

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I found the problem with libGL.so.1 and nouveau, "./nvidia-installer --uninstall" didn't put everything back in place. Of course not, it can not. It replaces some X components, which you have to reinstate by reinstalling some other package I never remember which. xorg, I think. Or perhaps the two you did.

I had already reinstalled xorg-x11-server and some nouveau packages. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Senior Staff Specialist, Cricket Coach Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

2013/12/17 Michal Kubecek :

Dne Po 16. prosince 2013 14:36:25, Juan Erbes napsal(a):

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What's happened with the AMD video drivers?

On the Opensuse website, the link for the ATI/AMD video drivers points to the 11.4 version, but for Nvidia is for the 13.1 version: http://en.opensuse.org/Additional_package_repositories#ATI_video_driv ers

One of the reasons may be that radeon driver works better than noveau so that AMD users are not so desperate to mess up their system with closed source drivers.

Yes, that's right! Thanks to the opensuse developers, and to AMD which release the code to the open source community, while the nouveau driver is based on reverse engineering, because Nvidia did not release a single line of code. Cheers, Juan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

2013/12/17 Bruno Friedmann

On Monday 16 December 2013 14.36:25 Juan Erbes wrote:

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What's happened with the AMD video drivers?

On the Opensuse website, the link for the ATI/AMD video drivers points to the 11.4 version, but for Nvidia is for the 13.1 version: http://en.opensuse.org/Additional_package_repositories#ATI_video_drivers

Funky there's a link to the SDB:ATI with then propose all the alternative. :-)

The informations are normally up to date, once wiki review occurs.

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Very good! Now i see You are the packager of the fglrx driver! How works the installer of the fglrx driver? The last time I tryed to install the fglrx driver from a opensuse non oficial repo, they was a script which started to download the complete kernel source, when really are necessary to install the catalyst driver, only the kernel headers (kernel-devel). At that time, I had a dsl connection 512 kbits / sec, and now I have 1 mbit. Imagine, with a slow connection, anytime I upgrade the kernel, I must to upgrade de kernel source, and waiting hours for that update. For now, I continue installing the Catalyst driver. Regards, Juan PS: You are put in place for novice users when trying to install the latest version of opensuse, and when they want to install the proprietary driver AMD / ATI to-use applications such as Google Earth, but when they go to the page for additional repos These are the drivers for the Nvidia latest version of opensuse are only available. What will think these new users? You only give support for nVidia proprietary drivers? I'm using SuSE since version 6.3 - -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

2013/12/18 Bruno Friedmann :

On Tuesday 17 December 2013 21.34:10 Juan Erbes wrote:

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2013/12/17 Bruno Friedmann

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On Monday 16 December 2013 14.36:25 Juan Erbes wrote:

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What's happened with the AMD video drivers?

On the Opensuse website, the link for the ATI/AMD video drivers points to the 11.4 version, but for Nvidia is for the 13.1 version: http://en.opensuse.org/Additional_package_repositories#ATI_video_drivers

Funky there's a link to the SDB:ATI with then propose all the alternative. :-)

The informations are normally up to date, once wiki review occurs.

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Very good!

Now i see You are the packager of the fglrx driver! I'm the one who package the work done by Sebastian Siebert and offer the hosting of resulting rpm

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How works the installer of the fglrx driver? Quick the same way as the nvidia one, the rpm as requirement (kernel-devel + all tools needed to compile the .ko)

The .ko is compiled on your computer. and recreated if the kernel change (Until it break)

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The last time I tryed to install the fglrx driver from a opensuse non oficial repo, they was a script which started to download the complete kernel source, when really are necessary to install the catalyst driver, only the kernel headers (kernel-devel). At that time, I had a dsl connection 512 kbits / sec, and now I have 1 mbit. Imagine, with a slow connection, anytime I upgrade the kernel, I must to upgrade de kernel source, and waiting hours for that update.

For now, I continue installing the Catalyst driver. ? Catalyst is FGLRX Regards, Juan

Now the situation is a bit complex. For owner of HD2xx-HD4xx there was a flgrx-legacy driver but which is not maintained anymore (no changes in 1.5 year) and it doesn't work with openSUSE 12.3 & 13.1 So for those users the free radeon drivers is the only one alternative, but good news, on newer version it offer better performance than the old legacy. (I've read people playing with Steam)

For the HD5xx+ chipset : normally we get a stable driver but AMD did release a new version since 13.4 which is totally incompatible with recent kernel and xorg. They've made a beta9 last month. My concern was beside the fact its proprietary, its a beta version. So I opened a new amd-fglrx-beta repository for brave people.

After the 13.1 release, several people report to me that the beta was stable enough, and asked me if it's possible to "release" it under the stable repo.

That's what I've done, until the new release of fglrx (expected in Decembre, but well we'll see if)

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PS: You are put in place for novice users when trying to install the latest version of opensuse, and when they want to install the proprietary driver AMD / ATI to-use applications such as Google Earth, but when they go to the page for additional repos These are the drivers for the Nvidia latest version of opensuse are only available.

You point me a new page, in the wiki, I've forgotten it exist :-)

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What will think these new users? The page in unmaintained . You only give support for nVidia proprietary drivers? For the moment I've a small doubt :-) I'm using SuSE since version 6.3

Then I will give you a answer : if you don't help to change the world, who will do it then? The page is a wiki, you seem to be a long time user, just jump and try to fix it (don't worry it will be reviewed) It's perfect to discuss here about it, and then start to act.

So please propose a change by modifying the page, asking feedback to new users if you know some. What they expect to find here etc...

Any small changes done by yourself, will be a big gain to everybody.

YOU ARE RIGHT! I mean, editing the page http://en.opensuse.org/Additional_package_repositories#ATI_video_drivers And adding the link pointing to SDB:ATI, it would be a good start, but I could'nt make it. Regards, Juan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 12/18/2013 05:31 AM, Bruno Friedmann pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

On Tuesday 17 December 2013 21.34:10 Juan Erbes wrote:

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2013/12/17 Bruno Friedmann

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On Monday 16 December 2013 14.36:25 Juan Erbes wrote:

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What's happened with the AMD video drivers?

On the Opensuse website, the link for the ATI/AMD video drivers points to the 11.4 version, but for Nvidia is for the 13.1 version: http://en.opensuse.org/Additional_package_repositories#ATI_video_drivers

Funky there's a link to the SDB:ATI with then propose all the alternative. :-)

The informations are normally up to date, once wiki review occurs.

--

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Very good!

Now i see You are the packager of the fglrx driver! I'm the one who package the work done by Sebastian Siebert and offer the hosting of resulting rpm

...

How works the installer of the fglrx driver? Quick the same way as the nvidia one, the rpm as requirement (kernel-devel + all tools needed to compile the .ko)

The .ko is compiled on your computer. and recreated if the kernel change (Until it break)

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The last time I tryed to install the fglrx driver from a opensuse non oficial repo, they was a script which started to download the complete kernel source, when really are necessary to install the catalyst driver, only the kernel headers (kernel-devel). At that time, I had a dsl connection 512 kbits / sec, and now I have 1 mbit. Imagine, with a slow connection, anytime I upgrade the kernel, I must to upgrade de kernel source, and waiting hours for that update.

For now, I continue installing the Catalyst driver. ? Catalyst is FGLRX Regards, Juan

Now the situation is a bit complex. For owner of HD2xx-HD4xx there was a flgrx-legacy driver but which is not maintained anymore (no changes in 1.5 year) and it doesn't work with openSUSE 12.3 & 13.1 So for those users the free radeon drivers is the only one alternative, but good news, on newer version it offer better performance than the old legacy. (I've read people playing with Steam)

For the HD5xx+ chipset : normally we get a stable driver but AMD did release a new version since 13.4 which is totally incompatible with recent kernel and xorg. They've made a beta9 last month. My concern was beside the fact its proprietary, its a beta version. So I opened a new amd-fglrx-beta repository for brave people.

After the 13.1 release, several people report to me that the beta was stable enough, and asked me if it's possible to "release" it under the stable repo.

That's what I've done, until the new release of fglrx (expected in Decembre, but well we'll see if)

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On Mon, 16 Dec 2013 16:34:57 +0100, Marcus Meissner wrote:

I am querying this over our channels to NVIDIA.

Thanks, Marcus. Jim -- Jim Henderson Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 15:32:14 +0100, Marcus Meissner wrote:

On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 04:36:13PM +0000, Jim Henderson wrote:

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A few days ago, the repository hosted by nVidia for their drivers for oS 13.1 was made available, but the directory seems to have gone missing - anyone know what happened, or who to contact/notify?

We've had a couple questions on the forums about this.

The 13.1 repo has reappeared now.

Ciao, Marcus

Great, thanks. Do we have any idea what happened? Jim -- Jim Henderson Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org