-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 10:43:46 +0200 Stephan Kulow wrote:

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Am 10.10.2015 um 19:07 schrieb Uzair Shamim:

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Hi All,

I just downloaded and installed Leap Build 0222, and even though I selected KDE as my DE in the installer, I was given IceWM as my default login DE when I first boot in. For me it was obvious what the issue was but this may be confusing for some new users who are not familiar with multiple DE's on their system.

Is this intentional or could it be "fixed"?

openQA installed KDE just fine, so I guess you did something that caused this - and very likely it's a bug then, but for that we need to know what you did that openQA didn't.

If Uzair did something wrong, then so did I with Beta-1, several times and on three different machines. I may be mistaken, Stephan, but your comment suggests that you may not have fully understood what Uzair wrote. KDE is installed correctly but is not the default login DE. "Plasma5" (or "KDE Plasma" - what's the difference?) can be selected at login but I missed it every time. Once "Plasma5" has been selected, that becomes the default as you'd expect. - -- Graham Davis, Bracknell, Berks. openSUSE 13.2 (64-bit); KDE 4.14.9; AMD Phenom II X2 550 Processor; Kernel: 4.2.3; Video: nVidia GeForce 210 (Driver: nouveau); Sound: ATI SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iEYEARECAAYFAlYaJt8ACgkQDFqZ4PV8pUhL0wCeJZG7Xg7F1zLO4dleW+CopXyq e6EAn2H2q0x7EK6U+XOu3dqccmeOP9MY =olTB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- N�����r��y隊Z)z{.���r�+�맲��r��z�^�ˬz��N�(�֜��^� ޭ隊Z)z{.���r�+��0�����Ǩ�

Hi, Same happened to me, no autologin. Best, Angelos On 10/11/2015 12:28 PM, Stephan Kulow wrote:

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Am 11.10.2015 um 11:07 schrieb Graham P Davis:

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On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 10:43:46 +0200 Stephan Kulow wrote:

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Hi All,

I just downloaded and installed Leap Build 0222, and even though I selected KDE as my DE in the installer, I was given IceWM as my default login DE when I first boot in. For me it was obvious what the issue was but this may be confusing for some new users who are not familiar with multiple DE's on their system.

Is this intentional or could it be "fixed"?

openQA installed KDE just fine, so I guess you did something that caused this - and very likely it's a bug then, but for that we need to know what you did that openQA didn't.

If Uzair did something wrong, then so did I with Beta-1, several times I didn't say he did something wrong, I said we have to find the difference between his (and your) workflow and what we test in openQA.

E.g. are you using autologin?

Greetings, Stephan

- -- Ma muaß weiterkämpfen, kämpfen bis zum Umfalln, a wenn die ganze Welt an Arsch offen hat, oder grad deswegn. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2

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Am 11.10.2015 um 12:22 schrieb Richard Brown:

Greetings oh great release overlord,

Just for my information: Do you consider this funny ?

I've been able to reproduce what Graham reports by doing the following

Default Install (KDE install) with autologin disabled

It looks like out of the box, sddm is set to use IceWM and not 'KDE Plasma Desktop' or 'Plasma 5 Desktop' which are the two other options in the drop down (I don't know the difference, not much of a KDE guy)

There doesn't seem to be a difference - both call startkde. I assume it's for backward compat.

Didn't get caught by openQA because none of our tests on leap are without autologin

Thanks for confirming my guessing.

Reported as bug 949903

Even more thanks Greetings, Stephan -- Ma muaß weiterkämpfen, kämpfen bis zum Umfalln, a wenn die ganze Welt an Arsch offen hat, oder grad deswegn. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 11 October 2015 at 18:36, Carl Symons wrote:

On Sunday, October 11, 2015 12:46:24 PM Stephan Kulow wrote:

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Am 11.10.2015 um 12:22 schrieb Richard Brown:

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Greetings oh great release overlord,

Just for my information: Do you consider this funny ?

I find it funny, and ironic.

Release management is no picnic. I haven't done that job, but I've worked with several release managers.

This salutation strikes me as: respectful of the hassles of release management and the conflict between being the boss of everything-at-the-moment, while being collaborative, while having a target on one's back, and keeping cool throughout.

Not easy, not fully appreciated.

Thank you for what you're doing.

+1 - couldn't have said it better myself -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 10/11/2015 09:56 PM, Raymond Wooninck wrote:

On Sunday, 11 October 2015 12:22:28 CEST Richard Brown wrote:

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It looks like out of the box, sddm is set to use IceWM and not 'KDE Plasma Desktop' or 'Plasma 5 Desktop' which are the two other options in the drop down (I don't know the difference, not much of a KDE guy) No, this is the wrong conclusion. SDDM does NOT have any default and will just pick alphabetically the first session file that is present. Once the user selects a certain desktop, then this will indeed become the correct default.

sddm can not be configured to start with a particular desktop file, as that it expects the user to make that choice. Only with autologin, a default session has to be selected and can therefore be configured.

One could also wonder why icewm is being installed without the user selecting this one.

The only way out of this is to make sure that the plasma.desktop file is the first session file. We can do this during the installation, but is this what we want ??

Raymond Its installed as part of the X Window System Pattern which is probably a dependency of the kde patterns (I didn't check but it is for most other DE patterns).

Cheers Simon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Am Sonntag, 11. Oktober 2015, 13:26:51 schrieb Raymond Wooninck:

No, this is the wrong conclusion. SDDM does NOT have any default and will just pick alphabetically the first session file that is present. Once the user selects a certain desktop, then this will indeed become the correct default.

sddm can not be configured to start with a particular desktop file, as that it expects the user to make that choice. Only with autologin, a default session has to be selected and can therefore be configured.

That's correct AFAICT.

The only way out of this is to make sure that the plasma.desktop file is the first session file. We can do this during the installation, but is this what we want ??

There is another way: SDDM does remember the chosen session, it saves it in the file /var/lib/sddm/state.conf. We could install a file with the following content, to preselect Plasma5 on the first boot already: [Last] # Name of the session file of the last session selected. This session will be preselected when the login screen shows up. Session=/usr/share/xsessions/plasma5.desktop (if the stored session doesn't exist, SDDM just falls back to the alphabetically first again) I created a first quick package here: https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/home:wolfi323:test/sddm Although it should not overwrite the file if it already exists... I have to change that, maybe by marking it as config file, or installing it in %post (if it doesn't exist in the system). Kind Regards, Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

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One could also wonder why icewm is being installed without the user selecting this one.

As default for failsafe. Sometimes a complex desktop such as kde or gnome fails to start, you need something else that runs and allows you to solve the issue. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlYarOoACgkQja8UbcUWM1wifgD8Du8NnpGbChQqfv9Ukmd6K9Iq V5lt80GIQ7zJDjZSKZUA/2dOwvV9r/4Dx6Jce/B8h08CPFKDJ70lzDvPDYbX1JyJ =JLyG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Mon, 12 Oct 2015 09:33:42 +0200, Per Jessen wrote:

Graham P Davis wrote:

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On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 10:43:46 +0200 Stephan Kulow wrote:

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Am 10.10.2015 um 19:07 schrieb Uzair Shamim:

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Hi All,

I just downloaded and installed Leap Build 0222, and even though I selected KDE as my DE in the installer, I was given IceWM as my default login DE when I first boot in. For me it was obvious what the issue was but this may be confusing for some new users who are not familiar with multiple DE's on their system.

Is this intentional or could it be "fixed"?

openQA installed KDE just fine, so I guess you did something that caused this - and very likely it's a bug then, but for that we need to know what you did that openQA didn't.

If Uzair did something wrong, then so did I with Beta-1, several times and on three different machines.

Ditto. (on one machine).

We should add noautologin test case to openQA... Takashi -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org