[opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-project] 12.3 Schedule and development
On Tuesday 11 September 2012 11:23:19 Will Stephenson wrote:
Given that 12.2 slipped by 2 months, and the development process for 12.3 is "to be discussed", what schedule are we working on towards 12.3 at the moment? <snip>
"just a note": As you can probably see on the 300 mails thread, this is hard to discuss on- line. I'd like to point out that THIS is what the *openSUSE Conference* is for: offering a place to discuss these things *in person*. If you care about our release schedule and technologies we'll ship (including systemd and such, yes), make sure you're there. And again, if money is a problem, officially the deadline has passed but we'd rather have requests late than people NOT show up. So PLEASE mail the travel committee and ask for help if finances are getting in the way. There is still budget and it's what the committee is for. Izabel and Kostas would gladly help out. Know that decisions made at the conference, in person, are going to guide where openSUSE is going. Simply because, in person, it is easier and faster to get to consensus - and that is what makes decisions. /Jos (of course, the over 150 people at the Summit can and should do the same: discuss these things...)
Will
(* Something Pascal was moping about on IRC last week, I'm hoping to tempt him out of his cave)
* Jos Poortvliet <jos@opensuse.org> [2012-09-19 11:19]:
On Tuesday 11 September 2012 11:23:19 Will Stephenson wrote:
Given that 12.2 slipped by 2 months, and the development process for 12.3 is "to be discussed", what schedule are we working on towards 12.3 at the moment? <snip>
"just a note": As you can probably see on the 300 mails thread, this is hard to discuss on- line.
I'd like to point out that THIS is what the *openSUSE Conference* is for: offering a place to discuss these things *in person*.
If you care about our release schedule and technologies we'll ship (including systemd and such, yes), make sure you're there. And again, if
That means also excluding people from the decision-making process (regardless of their stake in openSUSE development) who simply cannot attend due to time constraints. A problem that doesn't exist with asynchronous means of communication like email or the web. -- Guido Berhoerster -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2012-09-19 at 11:57 +0200, Guido Berhoerster wrote:
That means also excluding people from the decision-making process (regardless of their stake in openSUSE development) who simply cannot attend due to time constraints. A problem that doesn't exist with asynchronous means of communication like email or the web.
Jos is not suggesting that conferences replace other forms of communication altogether. People *should* communicate however they best can on medium that is available to them. But he is bringing the point forward that you have a unique opportunity at conferences to talk directly face to face with people who make decisions and state your case more clearly verbally if the mood strikes you. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Wednesday, September 19, 2012 09:51:46 Bryen M Yunashko wrote:
On Wed, 2012-09-19 at 11:57 +0200, Guido Berhoerster wrote:
That means also excluding people from the decision-making process (regardless of their stake in openSUSE development) who simply cannot attend due to time constraints. A problem that doesn't exist with asynchronous means of communication like email or the web.
Jos is not suggesting that conferences replace other forms of communication altogether. People *should* communicate however they best can on medium that is available to them. But he is bringing the point forward that you have a unique opportunity at conferences to talk directly face to face with people who make decisions and state your case more clearly verbally if the mood strikes you.
Yup, sorry for my miss-communication. I'm saying it is important and valuable to come to the conference - not that you don't matter or have no influence over our future direction if you don't manage to go there. Also: I think it would be extremely valuable to open some discussions up for a wider audience using Google Hangouts. Folks with laptops capable of doing that can take care of creating hangouts quite easily and we should all keep that in mind once it is time for the meetings to start: set up a hangout! Note that the most interesting meetings happen on Monday and Tuesday according to the schedule: http://bootstrapping-awesome.org/schedule Hugs, Jos
I'd like to point out that THIS is what the *openSUSE Conference* is for: offering a place to discuss these things *in person*.
While I believe the community/members and everyone involved should have the ultimate decision on this, I'm available to participate in a focus group or help conducting one if needed. As most people know, I'm prepared to do that and I have qualifications for it also (as my field is actually marketing management). peace -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
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