Re: [opensuse-packaging] Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: RFC: configuration files in /etc
On Sat, Jul 27, Hans-Peter Jansen wrote:
Hmm, do you have any pointer on such distributions and their usage pattern of /usr/etc? I wasn't able to find something, that really matters in this regard.
OSTree is using /usr/etc to store data for their three-way-diff-merge of configuration files. On *BSD, users have to edit the files in /usr/etc, while in our case, this should be "read-only", and user have to create the changes in /etc. There are distributions who did the "UsrMerge" by moving /etc to /usr/etc and makeing /etc a symlink to /usr
For consistency and efficiency reasons, I still prefer /usr/etc.
In general I fully agree, but if people from other distributions tell me, they would not be able to follow us for this reasons, then /usr/etc is for me a no-go. It doesn't make sense to create something, which only openSUSE will do and everybody else is not able to do.
So in my humble opinion, we should examine the current usage patterns of /usr/ etc and decide based on that result, if it's worth to create some hassle for them, relative to our packaging, or if it's even neglectable.
What would happen if we choose /usr/etc and other distributions cannot follow us? 1. we are the only one who are doing, and will always be different 2. The others will come up with another standard, and either we are alone/different, or have to do the work a second time. I don't like any of this options. Thorsten -- Thorsten Kukuk, Distinguished Engineer, Senior Architect SLES & MicroOS SUSE Linux GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany GF: Felix Imendoerffer, Mary Higgins, Sri Rasiah, HRB 21284 (AG Nuernberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
[Sorry for not correctly addressing both lists before..] Am Sonntag, 28. Juli 2019, 10:38:07 CEST schrieb Thorsten Kukuk:
On Sat, Jul 27, Hans-Peter Jansen wrote:
What would happen if we choose /usr/etc and other distributions cannot follow us? 1. we are the only one who are doing, and will always be different 2. The others will come up with another standard, and either we are alone/different, or have to do the work a second time.
I don't like any of this options.
Neither me. Do you see chances, that distributions *will* follow us, when taking the /usr/config path? Do we have somebody influential on the Debian side of things, who can comment on this? Cheers, Pete -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Sun, Jul 28, Hans-Peter Jansen wrote:
[Sorry for not correctly addressing both lists before..]
Am Sonntag, 28. Juli 2019, 10:38:07 CEST schrieb Thorsten Kukuk:
On Sat, Jul 27, Hans-Peter Jansen wrote:
What would happen if we choose /usr/etc and other distributions cannot follow us? 1. we are the only one who are doing, and will always be different 2. The others will come up with another standard, and either we are alone/different, or have to do the work a second time.
I don't like any of this options.
Neither me. Do you see chances, that distributions *will* follow us, when taking the /usr/config path? Do we have somebody influential on the Debian side of things, who can comment on this?
I'm not aware of anybody from Debian. There are many people who say this is the right thing to do, but beside somebody who will create a change request for Fedora, no commitments to do it yet. Everybody is waiting for somebody else. Thorsten -- Thorsten Kukuk, Distinguished Engineer, Senior Architect SLES & MicroOS SUSE Linux GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany GF: Felix Imendoerffer, Mary Higgins, Sri Rasiah, HRB 21284 (AG Nuernberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
* Thorsten Kukuk
On Sat, Jul 27, Hans-Peter Jansen wrote:
Hmm, do you have any pointer on such distributions and their usage pattern of /usr/etc? I wasn't able to find something, that really matters in this regard.
OSTree is using /usr/etc to store data for their three-way-diff-merge of configuration files. On *BSD, users have to edit the files in /usr/etc, while in our case, this should be "read-only", and user have to create the changes in /etc. There are distributions who did the "UsrMerge" by moving /etc to /usr/etc and makeing /etc a symlink to /usr
For consistency and efficiency reasons, I still prefer /usr/etc.
what about /usr/local/etc
In general I fully agree, but if people from other distributions tell me, they would not be able to follow us for this reasons, then /usr/etc is for me a no-go. It doesn't make sense to create something, which only openSUSE will do and everybody else is not able to do.
So in my humble opinion, we should examine the current usage patterns of /usr/ etc and decide based on that result, if it's worth to create some hassle for them, relative to our packaging, or if it's even neglectable.
What would happen if we choose /usr/etc and other distributions cannot follow us? 1. we are the only one who are doing, and will always be different 2. The others will come up with another standard, and either we are alone/different, or have to do the work a second time.
I don't like any of this options.
Thorsten
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On Sun, Jul 28, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
For consistency and efficiency reasons, I still prefer /usr/etc.
what about /usr/local/etc
/usr/local is for local software installed by the systemadministrator, distribuors are not allowed to install there something. -- Thorsten Kukuk, Distinguished Engineer, Senior Architect SLES & MicroOS SUSE Linux GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany GF: Felix Imendoerffer, Mary Higgins, Sri Rasiah, HRB 21284 (AG Nuernberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Am Sonntag, 28. Juli 2019, 13:40:26 CEST schrieb Thorsten Kukuk:
On Sun, Jul 28, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
For consistency and efficiency reasons, I still prefer /usr/etc.
what about /usr/local/etc
/usr/local is for local software installed by the systemadministrator, distribuors are not allowed to install there something.
If I'm introduced to a new system to administrate, that contains files under / usr/local, I consider that system broken! Cheers, Pete -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
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