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Roman Bysh

1 Aug 2012 1 Aug '12

16:51

Hello List Mates, Is it possible to include a rescue system and a repair module with the DVD for a future release of 12.3 for 2013? Cheers! Roman --------------------------------------------------------------- openSUSE -- Get it! Discover it! Share it! --------------------------------------------------------------- http://linuxcounter.net/ #179293 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

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Malcolm

1 Aug 1 Aug

17:03

New subject: [opensuse-factory] Re: Is there a chance of resurrecting a rescue system and a repair module for next year

On Wed, 01 Aug 2012 12:51:52 -0400 Roman Bysh wrote:

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Hello List Mates,

Is it possible to include a rescue system and a repair module with the DVD for a future release of 12.3 for 2013?

Cheers!

Roman --------------------------------------------------------------- openSUSE -- Get it! Discover it! Share it! --------------------------------------------------------------- http://linuxcounter.net/ #179293 Hi I just use 3rd party ones.... http://sourceforge.net/projects/partedmagic/ http://sourceforge.net/projects/systemrescuecd/ http://trinityhome.org/

-- Cheers Malcolm °¿° (Linux Counter #276890) SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop 11 (x86_64) Kernel 3.0.34-0.7-default up 3 days 13:35, 3 users, load average: 0.25, 0.29, 0.32 CPU Intel i5 CPU M520@2.40GHz | Intel Arrandale GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Roman Bysh

19:23

New subject: [opensuse-factory] Re: Is there a chance of resurrecting a rescue system and a repair module for next year

On August 1, 2012 12:03:44 PM Malcolm wrote:

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On Wed, 01 Aug 2012 12:51:52 -0400

Roman Bysh wrote:

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Hello List Mates,

Is it possible to include a rescue system and a repair module with the DVD for a future release of 12.3 for 2013?

Cheers!

Roman --------------------------------------------------------------- openSUSE -- Get it! Discover it! Share it! --------------------------------------------------------------- http://linuxcounter.net/ #179293

Hi I just use 3rd party ones.... http://sourceforge.net/projects/partedmagic/ http://sourceforge.net/projects/systemrescuecd/ http://trinityhome.org/

Thanks for links. I have them all. But... Why should we have to use another cd when openSUSE had a great rescue module in the 11 - 11.2 DVDs? I know it's old but it can be updated. Many users found it very useful. It saved my system many times. At the time I was using reiser 3. However, it was not so forgiving with the ext4 fs. If the gui is too much work. Why not create a script that can be linked to a text mode menu for both version of Grub include a fsck? The DVD should include all of these tools to get the user up and running. Sort of an "all in one" DVD. Roman -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Luiz Fernando Ranghetti

21:38

New subject: [opensuse-factory] Re: Is there a chance of resurrecting a rescue system and a repair module for next year

2012/8/1 Roman Bysh :

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On August 1, 2012 12:03:44 PM Malcolm wrote:

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On Wed, 01 Aug 2012 12:51:52 -0400

Roman Bysh wrote:

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Hello List Mates,

Is it possible to include a rescue system and a repair module with the DVD for a future release of 12.3 for 2013?

Cheers!

Roman --------------------------------------------------------------- openSUSE -- Get it! Discover it! Share it! --------------------------------------------------------------- http://linuxcounter.net/ #179293

Hi I just use 3rd party ones.... http://sourceforge.net/projects/partedmagic/ http://sourceforge.net/projects/systemrescuecd/ http://trinityhome.org/

Thanks for links. I have them all. But... Why should we have to use another cd when openSUSE had a great rescue module in the 11 - 11.2 DVDs?

I know it's old but it can be updated. Many users found it very useful.

It saved my system many times. At the time I was using reiser 3. However, it was not so forgiving with the ext4 fs.

If the gui is too much work. Why not create a script that can be linked to a text mode menu for both version of Grub include a fsck?

The DVD should include all of these tools to get the user up and running. Sort of an "all in one" DVD.

Roman

Hi, If I'm not wrong they were dropped because no one cares to maintain and test it and I'm sure it can be revived if someone take care and improve it (which is the difficult part - find a mantainer/developer) Regards, Luiz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Cristian Rodríguez

2 Aug 2 Aug

00:29

El 01/08/12 12:51, Roman Bysh escribió:

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Hello List Mates,

Is it possible to include a rescue system and a repair module with the DVD for a future release of 12.3 for 2013?

Cheers!

Roman --------------------------------------------------------------- openSUSE -- Get it! Discover it! Share it! --------------------------------------------------------------- http://linuxcounter.net/ #179293

Too many things could go wrong, and not enough hands to fix it.. and unless you have more than 1 life spare, no way to handle all the twisted different possible failure paths.. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Roman Bysh

02:23

On Wed 01 Aug 2012 08:29:18 PM EDT, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:

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El 01/08/12 12:51, Roman Bysh escribió:

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Hello List Mates,

Is it possible to include a rescue system and a repair module with the DVD for a future release of 12.3 for 2013?

Cheers!

Roman --------------------------------------------------------------- openSUSE -- Get it! Discover it! Share it! --------------------------------------------------------------- http://linuxcounter.net/ #179293

Too many things could go wrong, and not enough hands to fix it.. and unless you have more than 1 life spare, no way to handle all the twisted different possible failure paths..

I cannot believe that it's not possible to create a basic script linked to a text menu. And, that it cannot be added to the DVD to rescue Grub. That is a cop out. Roman -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

08:56

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On Wed 01 Aug 2012 08:29:18 PM EDT, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:

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Too many things could go wrong, and not enough hands to fix it.. and unless you have more than 1 life spare, no way to handle all the twisted different possible failure paths..

I cannot believe that it's not possible to create a basic script linked to a text menu. And, that it cannot be added to the DVD to rescue Grub.

It is not basic, it is very complex. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAlAaQLIACgkQIvFNjefEBxpQ2gCfcmXLOLWAwkrau5csi3xEQuTF JZwAn22owRJjRCJy4gch+04axkuBKyeH =vj7V -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Roman Bysh

15:22

On August 2, 2012 10:56:18 AM Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2012-08-02 04:23, Roman Bysh wrote:

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On Wed 01 Aug 2012 08:29:18 PM EDT, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:

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Too many things could go wrong, and not enough hands to fix it.. and unless you have more than 1 life spare, no way to handle all the twisted different possible failure paths..

I cannot believe that it's not possible to create a basic script linked to a text menu. And, that it cannot be added to the DVD to rescue Grub.

It is not basic, it is very complex.

- -- Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/

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I have been conversing on Bugzilla about the possibility of resurrecting the Grub1 and Grub2 rescue module. And the interest is there. Just not now due to the workload for the 12.2 release. BTW There are a few scripts that were posted that can fix Grub created by users. If they can write them than openSUSE can. -- Cheers! Roman -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Malcolm

16:28

New subject: [opensuse-factory] Re: Is there a chance of resurrecting a rescue system and a repair module for next year

On Thu, 02 Aug 2012 11:22:28 -0400 Roman Bysh wrote:

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On August 2, 2012 10:56:18 AM Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2012-08-02 04:23, Roman Bysh wrote:

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On Wed 01 Aug 2012 08:29:18 PM EDT, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:

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Too many things could go wrong, and not enough hands to fix it.. and unless you have more than 1 life spare, no way to handle all the twisted different possible failure paths..

I cannot believe that it's not possible to create a basic script linked to a text menu. And, that it cannot be added to the DVD to rescue Grub.

It is not basic, it is very complex.

- -- Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/

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I have been conversing on Bugzilla about the possibility of resurrecting the Grub1 and Grub2 rescue module. And the interest is there. Just not now due to the workload for the 12.2 release.

BTW There are a few scripts that were posted that can fix Grub created by users. If they can write them than openSUSE can.

Hi Don't forget UEFI elilo booting, GPT partitioning, UEFI Secure boot, gummiboot etc moving forward.... -- Cheers Malcolm °¿° (Linux Counter #276890) SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop 11 (x86_64) Kernel 3.0.34-0.7-default up 4 days 12:58, 3 users, load average: 0.23, 0.24, 0.23 CPU Intel i5 CPU M520@2.40GHz | Intel Arrandale GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Roman Bysh

16:51

New subject: [opensuse-factory] Re: Is there a chance of resurrecting a rescue system and a repair module for next year

On August 2, 2012 11:28:03 AM Malcolm wrote:

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On Thu, 02 Aug 2012 11:22:28 -0400

Roman Bysh wrote:

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On August 2, 2012 10:56:18 AM Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2012-08-02 04:23, Roman Bysh wrote:

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On Wed 01 Aug 2012 08:29:18 PM EDT, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:

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Too many things could go wrong, and not enough hands to fix it.. and unless you have more than 1 life spare, no way to handle all the twisted different possible failure paths..

I cannot believe that it's not possible to create a basic script linked to a text menu. And, that it cannot be added to the DVD to rescue Grub.

It is not basic, it is very complex.

- -- Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar)

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I have been conversing on Bugzilla about the possibility of resurrecting the Grub1 and Grub2 rescue module. And the interest is there. Just not now due to the workload for the 12.2 release.

BTW There are a few scripts that were posted that can fix Grub created by users. If they can write them than openSUSE can.

Hi Don't forget UEFI elilo booting, GPT partitioning, UEFI Secure boot, gummiboot etc moving forward....

That's right. I'll speak with Michael. Looks like I'm going to invest in another Asus mobo. But I'm going to wait for the newer cpus to become available. -- Cheers! Roman -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Cristian Morales Vega

16:39

On 2 August 2012 16:22, Roman Bysh wrote:

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I have been conversing on Bugzilla about the possibility of resurrecting the Grub1 and Grub2 rescue module. And the interest is there. Just not now due to the workload for the 12.2 release.

Talking about bug reports without giving bug numbers always results in somebody asking for it. Please...

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BTW There are a few scripts that were posted that can fix Grub created by users. If they can write them than openSUSE can.

There are not "users and developers". There are only users, and those users can contribute more or less to the code and packaging of the distribution. If a user wants to contribute a "rescue system and a repair module" nobody here is going to stop him. Perhaps once that user actually tries to do it he will find there is something stopping him, something we didn't think about. In such a case he can write an email here explaining the problem and we will try to improve the process. You need to give either the name of somebody that wants to do the work or a description of the problem stopping him. If there is no problem and no "rescue system and a repair module" then probably there is neither anybody interested in doing the work right now. There is only a special situation: users without the knowledge to do the work. I would argue that in general the interest for most of the features is equally represented between people with and without the knowledge to implement them. But it is certainly possible that for some reason the interest for a specific feature is miss-represented between people with the knowledge to implement it. In such a case awareness of that interest could make somebody with the knowledge decide to implement it. But the way to make people aware of such an interest would be a lot of votes in openfate or bugzilla. Here there is little you can achieve. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Roman Bysh

17:54

On 08/02/2012 12:39 PM, Cristian Morales Vega wrote:

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On 2 August 2012 16:22, Roman Bysh wrote:

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I have been conversing on Bugzilla about the possibility of resurrecting the Grub1 and Grub2 rescue module. And the interest is there. Just not now due to the workload for the 12.2 release.

Talking about bug reports without giving bug numbers always results in somebody asking for it. Please...

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BTW There are a few scripts that were posted that can fix Grub created by users. If they can write them than openSUSE can.

There are not "users and developers". There are only users, and those users can contribute more or less to the code and packaging of the distribution. If a user wants to contribute a "rescue system and a repair module" nobody here is going to stop him. Perhaps once that user actually tries to do it he will find there is something stopping him, something we didn't think about. In such a case he can write an email here explaining the problem and we will try to improve the process.

You need to give either the name of somebody that wants to do the work or a description of the problem stopping him. If there is no problem and no "rescue system and a repair module" then probably there is neither anybody interested in doing the work right now.

There is only a special situation: users without the knowledge to do the work. I would argue that in general the interest for most of the features is equally represented between people with and without the knowledge to implement them. But it is certainly possible that for some reason the interest for a specific feature is miss-represented between people with the knowledge to implement it. In such a case awareness of that interest could make somebody with the knowledge decide to implement it. But the way to make people aware of such an interest would be a lot of votes in openfate or bugzilla. Here there is little you can achieve.

I posted this to see the type of response people would give and if anyone had any interest in bringing this back. I know the openSUSE team is really busy with RC2. Hence, no response. My bug report: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=773495 I am offering my services as a tester. Plus openFate has a number of people interested in the Yast2-repair module or a suitable substitute. Personally, I just starting reading about scripting but I have a long way to go. Like I said "I'm a user and tester but not a programmer. My previous job was a tester, QA and senior tech. rep. for a software simulation program design company. Roman -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

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