[opensuse-factory] Additions to help openSUSE system
Now there is no simple way to help new Linux user with installation or configuration problem if I have to see the logs. First I have to explain to user: - how to open console or switch to terminal session, - how to switch to root, - where to find logs, - what to type to get there, - what to type to copy logs in reply message If I want to see only few lines from the log: - how to use "vi" (that is the reason why the vi is not good as only option for basic installed system), - how to find and transfer to mail client information that I want to see. Than after all I can see the log or excerpt from it. Above is the reason that I advertise Midnight Commander. http://en.opensuse.org/Midnight_Commander It is lesser to learn for file browsing, viewing and editing using mc than command line, and it fulfills most of demands for a simple troubleshooting system. The problem is that any of "first aid in case of trouble" articles are written by Linux experts. While they are competent in troubleshooting, they can't go in details needed for novice (see above). Expert answers must be translated to the common language, expanded with common Linux knowledge, by some intermediate person that is able to understand both sides. Better (more elaborated) help application than mc might help everybody in the help chain. -- Regards, Rajko. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Rajko M a écrit :
Now there is no simple way to help new Linux user with installation or configuration problem if I have to see the logs. AFAIR there is a view logs in yast jdd
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jdd wrote:
Rajko M a écrit :
Now there is no simple way to help new Linux user with installation or configuration problem if I have to see the logs. AFAIR there is a view logs in yast jdd
I see that. /var/log/messages /proc/cpuinfo /proc/dma /proc/interrupts /proc/iomem /proc/ioports /proc/meminfo /proc/modules /proc/mounts /proc/partitions /proc/version /var/log/YaST2/y2log /var/log/boot.msg /var/log/faillog /var/log/warn It is is useful. For the rest is still good to find some solution. BTW, I never looked at this before, it just came in mind reading your post in other thread. It can be easily that solution exists. -- Regards, Rajko. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Rajko M a écrit :
I see that. /var/log/messages
yast gives mostly this one. but look also at "siga", it's a suse script used for they own support (asked when one write a mail to support) try "yast/various/write a mail for technical assistance (I translate from french, words can be different) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Rajko M wrote:
Now there is no simple way to help new Linux user with installation or configuration problem if I have to see the logs. First I have to explain to user: - how to open console or switch to terminal session, - how to switch to root, - where to find logs, - what to type to get there, - what to type to copy logs in reply message If I want to see only few lines from the log: - how to use "vi" (that is the reason why the vi is not good as only option for basic installed system), - how to find and transfer to mail client information that I want to see.
Than after all I can see the log or excerpt from it.
Above is the reason that I advertise Midnight Commander. http://en.opensuse.org/Midnight_Commander It is lesser to learn for file browsing, viewing and editing using mc than command line, and it fulfills most of demands for a simple troubleshooting system.
SSH connection should also be mentioned in Capabilities. :) Vahis -- Sometimes I reply to top posters. Seldom. And usually just once. http://waxborg.servepics.com/English/Linux/SUSE.10.1/suse10.1.html SUSE Linux 10.1 Suomi: http://waxborg.servepics.com/Linux/10.1/suse-10.1.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Vahis wrote: ...
SSH connection should also be mentioned in Capabilities. :) ...
What kind of capabilities in what usage case you have in mind? SSH is useful on LAN, when screen, keyboard and mouse are locked for some reason, but remote access still works. In case of computers that belong to other people the major problem is trust to let someone in. Linux users work harder than Windows to keep their system running, and all that to keep prying eyes out of their computer. Is there some use case that I missed? -- Regards, Rajko. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Rajko M wrote:
Vahis wrote:
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SSH connection should also be mentioned in Capabilities. :)
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What kind of capabilities in what usage case you have in mind?
Mc being capable of accessing directories over ssh. Vahis -- Sometimes I reply to top posters. Seldom. And usually just once. http://waxborg.servepics.com/English/Linux/SUSE.10.1/suse10.1.html SUSE Linux 10.1 Suomi: http://waxborg.servepics.com/Linux/10.1/suse-10.1.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Vahis wrote:
Rajko M wrote:
Vahis wrote:
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SSH connection should also be mentioned in Capabilities. :)
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What kind of capabilities in what usage case you have in mind?
Mc being capable of accessing directories over ssh.
Vahis
I have mc over ssh. :-) -- Regards, Rajko. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Am Samstag, 2. September 2006 17:18 schrieb Rajko M:
Now there is no simple way to help new Linux user with installation or ... Above is the reason that I advertise Midnight Commander. http://en.opensuse.org/Midnight_Commander It is lesser to learn for file browsing, viewing and editing using mc than command line, and it fulfills most of demands for a simple troubleshooting system.
The problem is that any of "first aid in case of trouble" articles are written by Linux experts. While they are competent in troubleshooting, they can't go in details needed for novice (see above). Expert answers must be translated to the common language, expanded with common Linux knowledge, by some intermediate person that is able to understand both sides. Better (more elaborated) help application than mc might help everybody in the help chain.
I write guides on a couple of forums where there are a lot of Windows users swapping or thinking of swapping. I never mention "vi". As mc and mcedit are included in a normal installation, I always talk about using those tools when navigating or having to edit a configuration file. Heck, I've been using Linux for over 5 years and I've never started vi... -- David Wright Wright Information Services Europa "I got to go figure," the tenant said. "We all got to figure. There's some way to stop this. It's not like lightning or earthquakes. We've got a bad thing made by men, and by God that's something we can change." - The Grapes of Wrath, by John Steinbeck --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
David Wright wrote:
Am Samstag, 2. September 2006 17:18 schrieb Rajko M:
Now there is no simple way to help new Linux user with installation or ... Above is the reason that I advertise Midnight Commander. http://en.opensuse.org/Midnight_Commander It is lesser to learn for file browsing, viewing and editing using mc than command line, and it fulfills most of demands for a simple troubleshooting system.
The problem is that any of "first aid in case of trouble" articles are written by Linux experts. While they are competent in troubleshooting, they can't go in details needed for novice (see above). Expert answers must be translated to the common language, expanded with common Linux knowledge, by some intermediate person that is able to understand both sides. Better (more elaborated) help application than mc might help everybody in the help chain.
I write guides on a couple of forums where there are a lot of Windows users swapping or thinking of swapping. I never mention "vi". As mc and mcedit are included in a normal installation, I always talk about using those tools when navigating or having to edit a configuration file.
Heck, I've been using Linux for over 5 years and I've never started vi...
Probably you did, by mistake :-) It is/was embedded as editor in few applications, and that is the most often how I started it. One day came over a friend. He had to write homework using remote session and vi was only editor. He wanted to learn how to use it. He couldn't believe that I know only how to exit if by accident some application starts it. He thought that I make a joke. I showed him how many editors I have available and what I actually use, and he understood than. At the end we found on the web some of the often used keyboard combinations, so he was able to finish his homework. The vim is powerful, but in all those years I didn't found a reason to learn it. For small configuration edits, the easiest editor I've used was "nano" used by Gentoo installation. If you don't know something just read the list of keyboard combinations that is on screen, but I still use mcedit most of the time (via F4 in mc). BTW, it would be nice if you can find a time and see the page: http://en.opensuse.org/Midnight_Commander and give your opinion on how suitable is for newcomers. -- Regards, Rajko. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
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