[opensuse-factory] imap and mailsync packages
Hello, I would like to issue a delete request against these two. Or is there anybody who wants to take over imap? Petr -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 2019/11/11 14:19:37 +0100, pgajdos wrote:
Hello,
I would like to issue a delete request against these two. Or is there anybody who wants to take over imap?
Does this mean we do not have any standard imap server nor client anymore? Beside this mailsync has a bugowner with seife@novell.slipkontur.de (aka seife+obs@b1-systems.com). What is wrong with with Stefan? AFAICS there is a copy of (uw-)imap on github with https://github.com/uw-imap/imap to have a new base for developing. This because https://www.washington.edu/imap/ and its FTP mirror is gone. Werner -- "Having a smoking section in a restaurant is like having a peeing section in a swimming pool." -- Edward Burr
Am 11.11.19 um 14:49 schrieb Dr. Werner Fink:
On 2019/11/11 14:19:37 +0100, pgajdos wrote:
Hello,
I would like to issue a delete request against these two. Or is there anybody who wants to take over imap?
Does this mean we do not have any standard imap server nor client anymore?
for me the question would be what a "standard" imap server is. I haven't used "imap" more than 20 years meanwhile but in the past Cyrus and since almost 10 years now Dovecot. I understand that those are a bit more complicated and feature rich but then again I guess Dovecot could be rather easy configured to work out of the box similar to imap if that is a requirement (and if it's not already the case). Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 11/11/2019 14.59, Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
Am 11.11.19 um 14:49 schrieb Dr. Werner Fink:
On 2019/11/11 14:19:37 +0100, pgajdos wrote:
Hello,
I would like to issue a delete request against these two. Or is there anybody who wants to take over imap?
Does this mean we do not have any standard imap server nor client anymore?
for me the question would be what a "standard" imap server is.
uw-imap is the reference implementation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UW_IMAP - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EARECAB0WIQQZEb51mJKK1KpcU/W1MxgcbY1H1QUCXclt/wAKCRC1MxgcbY1H 1WO4AJ9d1XSGsD35vcJGouEZSRSxFQNYmACfboXOLcyOS6r2ofhx8RDVSiL3bKE= =Zh6e -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 03:19:46PM +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
uw-imap is the reference implementation.
The wikipedia page says 'was'. Petr -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Am 11.11.19 um 15:19 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
On 11/11/2019 14.59, Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
Am 11.11.19 um 14:49 schrieb Dr. Werner Fink:
On 2019/11/11 14:19:37 +0100, pgajdos wrote:
Hello,
I would like to issue a delete request against these two. Or is there anybody who wants to take over imap?
Does this mean we do not have any standard imap server nor client anymore?
for me the question would be what a "standard" imap server is.
uw-imap is the reference implementation.
it says: "was the reference" at least at this very moment. And looking at https://imapwiki.org/Specs it feels like it's not much of a reference as of today. Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Tuesday, 12 November 2019 0:29:10 ACDT Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
Am 11.11.19 um 14:49 schrieb Dr. Werner Fink:
On 2019/11/11 14:19:37 +0100, pgajdos wrote:
Hello,
I would like to issue a delete request against these two. Or is there anybody who wants to take over imap?
Does this mean we do not have any standard imap server nor client anymore?
for me the question would be what a "standard" imap server is.
I haven't used "imap" more than 20 years meanwhile but in the past Cyrus and since almost 10 years now Dovecot.
I understand that those are a bit more complicated and feature rich but then again I guess Dovecot could be rather easy configured to work out of the box similar to imap if that is a requirement (and if it's not already the case).
Wolfgang
In my experience, dovecot does work pretty much "out-of-the-box", apart from needing to generate (or re-generate) identity certs if one wants to use imaps. I've been running it for 10 years + and the only config I've ever needed to do was to tell it what type of local mailstore to use (I use Maildir rather than the default). YMMV. -- ============================================================== Rodney Baker VK5ZTV rodney.baker@iinet.net.au CCNA #CSCO12880208 ============================================================== -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Hi Werner, Am 11.11.19 um 14:49 schrieb Dr. Werner Fink:
On 2019/11/11 14:19:37 +0100, pgajdos wrote:
Hello,
I would like to issue a delete request against these two. Or is there anybody who wants to take over imap?
Does this mean we do not have any standard imap server nor client anymore? Beside this mailsync has a bugowner with seife@novell.slipkontur.de (aka seife+obs@b1-systems.com). What is wrong with with Stefan?
Petr asked me before writing the suggestion to drop imap. I'm don't mind maintaining mailsync as long as it is not going to be a lot of work. I do not intend touching the uw-imap code with a ten foot pole.
AFAICS there is a copy of (uw-)imap on github with https://github.com/uw-imap/imap to have a new base for developing. This because https://www.washington.edu/imap/ and its FTP mirror is gone.
I seem to remember that the original author of uw-imap died a few years ago and guess that nobody else dared touching this code. As mailsync is the only user left of the c-client library, it's just fair to let it not stand in the way of dropping imap ;-) If someone wants to take over imap (it has no bugowner right now...), then mailsync may of course stay. Best regards, Stefan -- Stefan Seyfried "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled." -- Richard Feynman -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 11/11/2019 15.10, Stefan Seyfried wrote:
Hi Werner,
Am 11.11.19 um 14:49 schrieb Dr. Werner Fink:
On 2019/11/11 14:19:37 +0100, pgajdos wrote:
Hello,
I would like to issue a delete request against these two. Or is there anybody who wants to take over imap?
Does this mean we do not have any standard imap server nor client anymore? Beside this mailsync has a bugowner with seife@novell.slipkontur.de (aka seife+obs@b1-systems.com). What is wrong with with Stefan?
Petr asked me before writing the suggestion to drop imap.
I'm don't mind maintaining mailsync as long as it is not going to be a lot of work.
I do not intend touching the uw-imap code with a ten foot pole.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UW_IMAP «UW IMAP uses the c-client mail engine that is also used by the Alpine[citation needed] and Pine e-mail clients.[6][10] c-client supports multiple mail store formats including Usenet news spools,[citation needed] MIX,[citation needed] mbox, mbx, mx, mh, tenex, mtx, MMDF, and phile.[6] c-client also includes support for IMAP, POP3, NNTP, and SMTP Internet protocols.[citation needed] » I don't know if Alpine depends on uw_imap or f it contains what it needs internally. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EARECAB0WIQQZEb51mJKK1KpcU/W1MxgcbY1H1QUCXcluwgAKCRC1MxgcbY1H 1ZY0AJ0aT1zdaI0d1/yOpeUcKehQT/ketwCfSbVMuSCtsmNNkHZt4wmy1MgK+Gs= =8mdi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 03:23:04PM +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
I don't know if Alpine depends on uw_imap or f it contains what it needs internally.
No package except mailsync requires imap. Petr -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 11/11/2019 15.37, pgajdos wrote:
On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 03:23:04PM +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
I don't know if Alpine depends on uw_imap or f it contains what it needs internally.
No package except mailsync requires imap.
I use imapsync, currently 1.727-lp151.2.1.noarch, to sync my laptops with my desktop machine. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EARECAB0WIQQZEb51mJKK1KpcU/W1MxgcbY1H1QUCXcnW6AAKCRC1MxgcbY1H 1TF4AJ45sPeHKLFE1DYEDT0yHI3ikYHL0wCfbArEZ8lBPr6KqPiJq4fVtzVh4w0= =5AY4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 2019/11/11 13:47, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 11/11/2019 15.37, pgajdos wrote:
No package except mailsync requires imap.
I use imapsync, currently 1.727-lp151.2.1.noarch, to sync my laptops with my desktop machine.
---- does imapsync use the uw-imap package? To be clear, I run dovecot, which provides a faster and less buggy imap client than the old imap client. On 2019/11/11 05:49, Dr. Werner Fink wrote:
On 2019/11/11 14:19:37 +0100, pgajdos wrote:
I would like to issue a delete request against these two. Or is there anybody who wants to take over imap?
Does this mean we do not have any standard imap server nor client anymore?
I'm not sure what you mean by 'standard'. Is there a problem with Dovecot such that it doesn't fill this role? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Am 14.11.19 um 10:01 schrieb L A Walsh:
On 2019/11/11 13:47, Carlos E. R. wrote:
I use imapsync, currently 1.727-lp151.2.1.noarch, to sync my laptops with my desktop machine.
---- does imapsync use the uw-imap package?
Of course not. In the distribution, only mailsync still used the imap package. -- Stefan Seyfried "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled." -- Richard Feynman -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 14/11/2019 10.01, L A Walsh wrote:
On 2019/11/11 13:47, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 11/11/2019 15.37, pgajdos wrote:
No package except mailsync requires imap.
I use imapsync, currently 1.727-lp151.2.1.noarch, to sync my laptops with my desktop machine.
---- does imapsync use the uw-imap package?
No. I don't have it installed. Names are a bit confusing: imapsync, mailsync... cer@Telcontar:~> rpm -q imapsync imapsync-1.727-lp151.2.1.noarch cer@Telcontar:~> rpm -q uw-imap package uw-imap is not installed cer@Telcontar:~>
To be clear, I run dovecot, which provides a faster and less buggy imap client than the old imap client.
When alive, Mark Crispin would say that the other implementations were doing it wrong, not following the RFCs :-p
On 2019/11/11 05:49, Dr. Werner Fink wrote:
On 2019/11/11 14:19:37 +0100, pgajdos wrote:
I would like to issue a delete request against these two. Or is there anybody who wants to take over imap?
Does this mean we do not have any standard imap server nor client anymore?
I'm not sure what you mean by 'standard'. Is there a problem with Dovecot such that it doesn't fill this role?
Well, uw-imap was the reference imap implementation. Apparently Marc Crispin wrote the RFC, and implemented it to the letter. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EARECAB0WIQQZEb51mJKK1KpcU/W1MxgcbY1H1QUCXc1HEQAKCRC1MxgcbY1H 1ap4AJ9htyR0nbA6idhoFnp50q/zQK7tIACfc+rQ19u7gk2QoMgVy4SlxKlb27o= =qLgP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Thursday 2019-11-14 13:22, Carlos E. R. wrote:
To be clear, I run dovecot, which provides a faster and less buggy imap client than the old imap client.
When alive, Mark Crispin would say that the other implementations were doing it wrong, not following the RFCs :-p
That's easy to say for authors of RFCs when they leave certain critical things unspecified in RFCs such that clients have to tread on paths of custom behavior. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Am 14.11.19 um 16:12 schrieb Jan Engelhardt:
On Thursday 2019-11-14 13:22, Carlos E. R. wrote:
When alive, Mark Crispin would say that the other implementations were doing it wrong, not following the RFCs :-p
That's easy to say for authors of RFCs when they leave certain critical things unspecified in RFCs such that clients have to tread on paths of custom behavior.
...and if their own implementation has a "unique" coding style *and* lots of code issues (I just judged this by the compiler warnings...) so that nobody else dares to touch it, this does not really inspire much confidence into their statements... -- Stefan Seyfried "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled." -- Richard Feynman -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Monday 2019-11-11 15:23, Carlos E. R. wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UW_IMAP
«UW IMAP uses the c-client mail engine that is also used by the Alpine[citation needed] and Pine e-mail clients.[6][10] c-client supports multiple mail store formats including Usenet news spools,[citation needed] MIX,[citation needed] mbox, mbx, mx, mh, tenex, mtx, MMDF, and phile.[6] c-client also includes support for IMAP, POP3, NNTP, and SMTP Internet protocols.[citation needed] »
I don't know if Alpine depends on uw_imap or f it contains what it needs internally.
Alpine has c-client code, or parts thereof, bundled as source. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 11:18 AM Stefan Seyfried
Hi Werner,
Am 11.11.19 um 14:49 schrieb Dr. Werner Fink:
On 2019/11/11 14:19:37 +0100, pgajdos wrote:
I do not intend touching the uw-imap code with a ten foot pole.
I thought about importing some of the patches there.. but then I remembered that I want to keep my scarce remaining sanity :-) Probably the one that switches to the openSSL builtin certificate validation needs to be applied, I would bet the one provided by c-client is broken in one way or another. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
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Wolfgang Rosenauer