[opensuse-factory] imap and mailsync packages

Hello, I would like to issue a delete request against these two. Or is there anybody who wants to take over imap? Petr -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 2019/11/11 14:19:37 +0100, pgajdos wrote:
Does this mean we do not have any standard imap server nor client anymore? Beside this mailsync has a bugowner with seife@novell.slipkontur.de (aka seife+obs@b1-systems.com). What is wrong with with Stefan? AFAICS there is a copy of (uw-)imap on github with https://github.com/uw-imap/imap to have a new base for developing. This because https://www.washington.edu/imap/ and its FTP mirror is gone. Werner -- "Having a smoking section in a restaurant is like having a peeing section in a swimming pool." -- Edward Burr

Am 11.11.19 um 14:49 schrieb Dr. Werner Fink:
for me the question would be what a "standard" imap server is. I haven't used "imap" more than 20 years meanwhile but in the past Cyrus and since almost 10 years now Dovecot. I understand that those are a bit more complicated and feature rich but then again I guess Dovecot could be rather easy configured to work out of the box similar to imap if that is a requirement (and if it's not already the case). Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 11/11/2019 14.59, Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
uw-imap is the reference implementation. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UW_IMAP> - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EARECAB0WIQQZEb51mJKK1KpcU/W1MxgcbY1H1QUCXclt/wAKCRC1MxgcbY1H 1WO4AJ9d1XSGsD35vcJGouEZSRSxFQNYmACfboXOLcyOS6r2ofhx8RDVSiL3bKE= =Zh6e -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 03:19:46PM +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
uw-imap is the reference implementation.
The wikipedia page says 'was'. Petr -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Am 11.11.19 um 15:19 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
it says: "was the reference" at least at this very moment. And looking at https://imapwiki.org/Specs it feels like it's not much of a reference as of today. Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Tuesday, 12 November 2019 0:29:10 ACDT Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
In my experience, dovecot does work pretty much "out-of-the-box", apart from needing to generate (or re-generate) identity certs if one wants to use imaps. I've been running it for 10 years + and the only config I've ever needed to do was to tell it what type of local mailstore to use (I use Maildir rather than the default). YMMV. -- ============================================================== Rodney Baker VK5ZTV rodney.baker@iinet.net.au CCNA #CSCO12880208 ============================================================== -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Hi Werner, Am 11.11.19 um 14:49 schrieb Dr. Werner Fink:
Petr asked me before writing the suggestion to drop imap. I'm don't mind maintaining mailsync as long as it is not going to be a lot of work. I do not intend touching the uw-imap code with a ten foot pole.
I seem to remember that the original author of uw-imap died a few years ago and guess that nobody else dared touching this code. As mailsync is the only user left of the c-client library, it's just fair to let it not stand in the way of dropping imap ;-) If someone wants to take over imap (it has no bugowner right now...), then mailsync may of course stay. Best regards, Stefan -- Stefan Seyfried "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled." -- Richard Feynman -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 11/11/2019 15.10, Stefan Seyfried wrote:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UW_IMAP> «UW IMAP uses the c-client mail engine that is also used by the Alpine[citation needed] and Pine e-mail clients.[6][10] c-client supports multiple mail store formats including Usenet news spools,[citation needed] MIX,[citation needed] mbox, mbx, mx, mh, tenex, mtx, MMDF, and phile.[6] c-client also includes support for IMAP, POP3, NNTP, and SMTP Internet protocols.[citation needed] » I don't know if Alpine depends on uw_imap or f it contains what it needs internally. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EARECAB0WIQQZEb51mJKK1KpcU/W1MxgcbY1H1QUCXcluwgAKCRC1MxgcbY1H 1ZY0AJ0aT1zdaI0d1/yOpeUcKehQT/ketwCfSbVMuSCtsmNNkHZt4wmy1MgK+Gs= =8mdi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 03:23:04PM +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
I don't know if Alpine depends on uw_imap or f it contains what it needs internally.
No package except mailsync requires imap. Petr -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 11/11/2019 15.37, pgajdos wrote:
I use imapsync, currently 1.727-lp151.2.1.noarch, to sync my laptops with my desktop machine. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EARECAB0WIQQZEb51mJKK1KpcU/W1MxgcbY1H1QUCXcnW6AAKCRC1MxgcbY1H 1TF4AJ45sPeHKLFE1DYEDT0yHI3ikYHL0wCfbArEZ8lBPr6KqPiJq4fVtzVh4w0= =5AY4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 2019/11/11 13:47, Carlos E. R. wrote:
---- does imapsync use the uw-imap package? To be clear, I run dovecot, which provides a faster and less buggy imap client than the old imap client. On 2019/11/11 05:49, Dr. Werner Fink wrote:
I'm not sure what you mean by 'standard'. Is there a problem with Dovecot such that it doesn't fill this role? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Am 14.11.19 um 10:01 schrieb L A Walsh:
On 2019/11/11 13:47, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Of course not. In the distribution, only mailsync still used the imap package. -- Stefan Seyfried "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled." -- Richard Feynman -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 14/11/2019 10.01, L A Walsh wrote:
No. I don't have it installed. Names are a bit confusing: imapsync, mailsync... cer@Telcontar:~> rpm -q imapsync imapsync-1.727-lp151.2.1.noarch cer@Telcontar:~> rpm -q uw-imap package uw-imap is not installed cer@Telcontar:~>
To be clear, I run dovecot, which provides a faster and less buggy imap client than the old imap client.
When alive, Mark Crispin would say that the other implementations were doing it wrong, not following the RFCs :-p
Well, uw-imap was the reference imap implementation. Apparently Marc Crispin wrote the RFC, and implemented it to the letter. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EARECAB0WIQQZEb51mJKK1KpcU/W1MxgcbY1H1QUCXc1HEQAKCRC1MxgcbY1H 1ap4AJ9htyR0nbA6idhoFnp50q/zQK7tIACfc+rQ19u7gk2QoMgVy4SlxKlb27o= =qLgP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Thursday 2019-11-14 13:22, Carlos E. R. wrote:
That's easy to say for authors of RFCs when they leave certain critical things unspecified in RFCs such that clients have to tread on paths of custom behavior. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Am 14.11.19 um 16:12 schrieb Jan Engelhardt:
...and if their own implementation has a "unique" coding style *and* lots of code issues (I just judged this by the compiler warnings...) so that nobody else dares to touch it, this does not really inspire much confidence into their statements... -- Stefan Seyfried "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled." -- Richard Feynman -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 11:18 AM Stefan Seyfried <stefan.seyfried@googlemail.com> wrote:
I do not intend touching the uw-imap code with a ten foot pole.
I thought about importing some of the patches there.. but then I remembered that I want to keep my scarce remaining sanity :-) Probably the one that switches to the openSSL builtin certificate validation needs to be applied, I would bet the one provided by c-client is broken in one way or another. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
participants (9)
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Carlos E. R.
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Cristian Rodríguez
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Dr. Werner Fink
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Jan Engelhardt
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L A Walsh
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pgajdos
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Rodney Baker
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Stefan Seyfried
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Wolfgang Rosenauer