Fri, 24 Nov 2017 20:34:32 +0300 Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> напісаў(ла):

On 2017-11-24 18:14, Dr. Werner Fink wrote:

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Hi,

there is a drop request against fortune[1]. I'd like to vote not to drop fortune even it it does not use iconv but recode.

+1

I use fortune, I would not like it removed.

I have no idea what the iconv vs recode issue is.

Hello. +1 Fortune rules! -- Best regards, Dmitriy Perlow -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 2017-11-24 18:54, Tomas Chvatal wrote:

Dr. Werner Fink píše v Pá 24. 11. 2017 v 18:14 +0100:

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Hi,

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there is a drop request against fortune[1]. I'd like to vote not to drop fortune even it it does not use iconv but recode.

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Werner

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[1] https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/545194

Well then maintain the recode, I am more than willing to hand over that package to your capable hands, quite easy eh. But I will also assign the bugs and expect them fixed, quite fair ain't that?

I have no idea what recode is, sorry. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)

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Hey Peepz,

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I'd like to vote not to drop fortune even it it does not use iconv but recode. I use fortune, I would not like it removed. I have no idea what the iconv vs recode issue is. I have no idea what recode is, sorry.

If you don't have any idea what any of this means and you can't come up with a qualified reason why the maintainer of the package should reconsider here is a new idea for you: Refrain from commenting :-)

This list is about maintenance of openSUSE:Factory, not list about all the tools you like.

Sorry, but it is the only list where users can ask such things. And I propossed alternatives. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iEYEARECAAYFAlodWnIACgkQtTMYHG2NR9VGvwCeOYJJUYf4Et3a/+WyK5F41ft4 HkIAnRuVLbDJLHnXMcDguqCTz5VDVUcp =azMg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Tuesday, November 28, 2017 3:39:48 PM CET martin@pluskal.org wrote:

On Tue, 2017-11-28 at 13:45 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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Sorry, but it is the only list where users can ask such things.

No it is not.

Regards

Martin

Martin , the latest information I have is similar, but already quite old. Question to released Products opensuse, leap should go to the opensuse ML . Question to Factory/Tumbleweed should go here. To my knowledge that was never a pure developer ML. Or has this changed ? Sorry for bikeshedding here Stefan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 28/11/17 08:30, Bjoern Voigt wrote:

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there is a drop request against fortune[1]. I'd like to vote not to drop fortune even it it does not use iconv but recode.

Werner

[1] https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/545194 Could anyone please explain, why the Recode dependency of Fortune is a

Dr. Werner Fink wrote: problem?

Should Recode be dropped and why?

Recode is being dropped simply because it currently has no maintainer, for a package to be in openSUSE someone has to commit to maintain it. Whoever was doing this in the past doesn't want to anymore, so either someone else steps in to maintain it or it gets dropped. -- Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek SUSE Linux Adelaide Australia, UTC+10:30 GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B

On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 03:32:58AM +0000, Dmitriy A. Perlow wrote:

Tue, 28 Nov 2017 01:09:35 +0300 Simon Lees <sflees@suse.de> напісаў(ла):

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On 28/11/17 08:30, Bjoern Voigt wrote:

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there is a drop request against fortune[1]. I'd like to vote not to drop fortune even it it does not use iconv but recode.

Werner

[1] https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/545194 Could anyone please explain, why the Recode dependency of Fortune is a

Dr. Werner Fink wrote: problem?

Should Recode be dropped and why?

Recode is being dropped simply because it currently has no maintainer, for a package to be in openSUSE someone has to commit to maintain it. Whoever was doing this in the past doesn't want to anymore, so either someone else steps in to maintain it or it gets dropped.

OK. So if I take the maintainership will nothing be dropped? Is any real problem about recode?

Not that I'm aware ... I've compared with recode package from Debian at https://packages.debian.org/sid/recode and found similar patches and also a few more[1]. Only the Url http://recode.progiciels-bpi.ca seems to be dead but on github there is a perfect replacement https://github.com/pinard/Recode/ If you like to become a maintainer I can set you as maintainer/bugowner of package recode Werner [1] http://http.debian.net/debian/pool/main/r/recode/recode_3.6-23.debian.tar.xz -- "Having a smoking section in a restaurant is like having a peeing section in a swimming pool." -- Edward Burr

Tue, 09 Jan 2018 17:54:19 +0300 Tomas Chvatal <tchvatal@suse.cz> напісаў(ла):

Dr. Werner Fink píše v Út 28. 11. 2017 v 10:19 +0100:

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On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 03:32:58AM +0000, Dmitriy A. Perlow wrote:

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Tue, 28 Nov 2017 01:09:35 +0300 Simon Lees <sflees@suse.de> напісаў(ла):

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On 28/11/17 08:30, Bjoern Voigt wrote:

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Dr. Werner Fink wrote:

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there is a drop request against fortune[1]. I'd like to vote not to drop fortune even it it does not use iconv but recode.

Werner

[1] https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/545194

Could anyone please explain, why the Recode dependency of Fortune is a problem?

Should Recode be dropped and why?

Recode is being dropped simply because it currently has no maintainer, for a package to be in openSUSE someone has to commit to maintain it. Whoever was doing this in the past doesn't want to anymore, so either someone else steps in to maintain it or it gets dropped.

OK. So if I take the maintainership will nothing be dropped? Is any real problem about recode?

Not that I'm aware ... I've compared with recode package from Debian at https://packages.debian.org/sid/recode and found similar patches and also a few more[1]. Only the Url http://recode.progiciels-bpi.ca seems to be dead but on github there is a perfect replacement https://github.c om/pinard/Recode/

If you like to become a maintainer I can set you as maintainer/bugowner of package recode

Francois is dead. So even if you have github you need to fork it and develop in there.

Anyway, it is 2 months now and neither nobody took over recode nor fortune got updated to not rely on recode. So what is the plan?

Also based on OBS data there is not even maintainer of the fortune itself should I again proceed with the drop as people planned only just to complain?

Cheers

Tom

Could you please point on bugs that have to be fixed? AFAI see both recode and fortune packages seem to be fine just now. -- Best regards, Dmitriy Perlow -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Tue, 09 Jan 2018 19:02:53 +0300 Knurpht - Gertjan Lettink <knurpht@opensuse.org> напісаў(ла):

Op dinsdag 9 januari 2018 16:36:03 CET schreef Dmitriy A. Perlow:

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Tue, 09 Jan 2018 17:54:19 +0300 Tomas Chvatal <tchvatal@suse.cz>

напісаў(ла):

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Dr. Werner Fink píše v Út 28. 11. 2017 v 10:19 +0100:

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On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 03:32:58AM +0000, Dmitriy A. Perlow wrote:

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Tue, 28 Nov 2017 01:09:35 +0300 Simon Lees <sflees@suse.de>

напісаў(ла):

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On 28/11/17 08:30, Bjoern Voigt wrote: > Dr. Werner Fink wrote: > > there is a drop request against fortune[1]. I'd like to vote > > not > > to drop > > fortune even it it does not use iconv but recode. > > > > > > Werner > > > > [1] https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/545194 > > Could anyone please explain, why the Recode dependency of > Fortune is a > problem? > > Should Recode be dropped and why?

Recode is being dropped simply because it currently has no maintainer, for a package to be in openSUSE someone has to commit to maintain it. Whoever was doing this in the past doesn't want to anymore, so either someone else steps in to maintain it or it gets dropped.

OK. So if I take the maintainership will nothing be dropped? Is any real problem about recode?

Not that I'm aware ... I've compared with recode package from Debian at https://packages.debian.org/sid/recode and found similar patches and also a few more[1]. Only the Url http://recode.progiciels-bpi.ca seems to be dead but on github there is a perfect replacement https://github.c om/pinard/Recode/

If you like to become a maintainer I can set you as maintainer/bugowner of package recode

Francois is dead. So even if you have github you need to fork it and develop in there.

Anyway, it is 2 months now and neither nobody took over recode nor fortune got updated to not rely on recode. So what is the plan?

Also based on OBS data there is not even maintainer of the fortune itself should I again proceed with the drop as people planned only just to complain?

Cheers

Tom

Could you please point on bugs that have to be fixed? AFAI see both recode and fortune packages seem to be fine just now.

All these packages need are maintainers. As long as nobody steps up to do so ..... we simply cannot allow unmaintained packages / software in our distro. One word: exploits.

OK. Let me ( https://build.opensuse.org/user/show/DarkSS ) became the maintainer. -- Best regards, Dmitriy Perlow -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Tue, 09 Jan 2018 20:36:02 +0300 Dominique Leuenberger / DimStar <dimstar@opensuse.org> напісаў(ла):

On Tue, 2018-01-09 at 20:22 +0300, Dmitriy A. Perlow wrote:

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All these packages need are maintainers. As long as nobody steps up to do so ..... we simply cannot allow unmaintained packages / software in our distro. One word: exploits.

OK. Let me ( https://build.opensuse.org/user/show/DarkSS ) became the maintainer.

Make sure to take care of issues like https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1422550 as well... upstream had tagged a version 3.7beta2 almost 10 years ago; so don't expect much upstream activity on reported security issues and be prepared to fix them (this is just the first one I found googline for 30 seconds)

Our package has not been touched since 2013 - which is already a bad sign in itself (it builds is not qualification)

Cheers Dominique

I can do monkey patching from Debian and/or Fedora. I can't maintain such bugs on my own. -- Best regards, Dmitriy Perlow -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Tue, 09 Jan 2018 21:04:02 +0300 Jan Engelhardt <jengelh@inai.de> напісаў(ла):

On Tuesday 2018-01-09 18:48, Dmitriy A. Perlow wrote:

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Tue, 09 Jan 2018 20:36:02 +0300 Dominique Leuenberger / DimStar <dimstar@opensuse.org> напісаў(ла):

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On Tue, 2018-01-09 at 20:22 +0300, Dmitriy A. Perlow wrote:

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All these packages need are maintainers. As long as nobody steps up to do so ..... we simply cannot allow unmaintained packages / software in our distro. One word: exploits.

OK. Let me ( https://build.opensuse.org/user/show/DarkSS ) became the maintainer.

Make sure to take care of issues like https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1422550 as well... upstream had tagged a version 3.7beta2 almost 10 years ago; so don't expect much upstream activity on reported security issues and be prepared to fix them (this is just the first one I found googline for 30 seconds)

Our package has not been touched since 2013 - which is already a bad sign in itself (it builds is not qualification)

Cheers Dominique

I can do monkey patching from Debian and/or Fedora. I can't maintain such bugs on my own.

563121 State:new By:jengelh When:2018-01-09T18:02:43 submit: home:jengelh:branches:Base:System/fortune@3 -> Base:System

Imagine "shut up and take my money^W patch" image macro here.

So?.. -- Best regards, Dmitriy Perlow -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Tue, 2018-01-09 at 19:44 +0100, Stefan Seyfried wrote:

Am 09.01.2018 um 17:02 schrieb Knurpht - Gertjan Lettink:

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All these packages need are maintainers. As long as nobody steps up to do so ..... we simply cannot allow unmaintained packages / software in our distro. One word: exploits.

Oh, then you need to drop about one third of all that's in openSUSE:Factory (84 of the first 200 packages in oS:F have no maintainer set, I'm waiting for my script to finish, 11800 packages to go ;-)

NO package in openSUSE:Factory needs a maintainer set: it inherits the info from the devel project (which your script likely forgot to follow) The ones that still DO have a maintainer set in oS:F directly are probably just for legacy reasons Cheers Dominique

NO package in openSUSE:Factory needs a maintainer set: it inherits the

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info from the devel project (which your script likely forgot to follow)

No, it does follow (actually osc does):

~> osc maintainer openSUSE:Factory bluez bugowner of Base:System/bluez : seife, vbotka

maintainer of Base:System/bluez : seife, vbotka

I just counted the ones like... ~> osc maintainer openSUSE:Factory zot bugowner of devel:languages:haskell : mimi_vx, psimons

maintainer of devel:languages:haskell : mimi_vx, psimons, ptrommler, sbahling, spanne, group:factory-maintainers

which is 7057 of 12025 packages in openSUSE:Factory.

Shall I auto-file droprequests for all of them? ;-)

If there is no explicit package maintainer assigned, the project maintainers are the designated maintainers of the packages therein. you still can't have a package without maintainers 'declared' (does not mean those are active, alive and kicking, but they are declared) Cheers Dominique

On Thu, 2018-01-11 at 08:42 +0100, Andreas Schwab wrote:

On Jan 10 2018, Dominique Leuenberger / DimStar <dimstar@opensuse.org> wrote:

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you still can't have a package without maintainers 'declared' (does not mean those are active, alive and kicking, but they are declared)

rubygem-rice doesn't even have a devel project.

Ok, THAT is a fun case of maintainer screwup: somebody forcibly had to remove the package from the devel project it was in. This kind of packages are a good candidate to be removed (if they can't find at least a new devel home) Cheers Dominique

On Thu, 2018-01-11 at 09:25 +0100, Stefan Seyfried wrote:

On 10.01.2018 23:00, Dominique Leuenberger / DimStar wrote:

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If there is no explicit package maintainer assigned, the project maintainers are the designated maintainers of the packages therein.

Well, then what's the problem of fortune and recode that Knurpht mentioned? By that definition, they have a maintainer and don't need to be dropped.

The person that did the work on recode decided not to do it anymore.. and rightly so wants it dropped. Until just recently, only one person mentioned that he wants to take it over. recode is largely unmaintained by upstream, but CVEs won't stop for that. So whoever decides to take on maintainership of that package has to be aware of that. And keeping recode just for fortune sounds like an overkill (especially taking into account that Jan created a submission for recode to get rid of the recode dependency). Add to that that I also drop packages from TW that have a maintainer assigned, but where the maintainer fails to actually fix packages for a long time. Is there such a strong sentiment for recode? Really? Cheers Dominique

On 11 January 2018 at 09:52, Stefan Seyfried <stefan.seyfried@googlemail.com> wrote:

On 11.01.2018 09:32, Dominique Leuenberger / DimStar wrote:

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Is there such a strong sentiment for recode? Really?

I couldn't care less about recode in particular, but I am sensitive to heavy worded statements from openSUSE Board members. -- Stefan Seyfried

What, precisely, is heavily worded about Gertjan's comment? openSUSE does not distribute unmaintained packages. As Dominique has clarified, "unmaintained" includes packages without a declared or inherited maintainer, as well as packages that do have a declared/inherited maintainer but those maintainers do not respond to incidents in a timely manner. My experience over the last 48 hours where a significant amount of my work has been blocked by the latter, suggests your hunt for packages without maintainers is misguided. I think your enthusiasm for this topic would be better spent motivating those maintainers who are not responsive to serious problems with their packages, or finding additional maintainers to help them, rather than wasting a lot of this list readers time passive-aggressively criticising a Board member who effectively managed to communicate the above facts of the matter rather succinctly. - Richard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 2018-01-11 09:32, Dominique Leuenberger / DimStar wrote:

On Thu, 2018-01-11 at 09:25 +0100, Stefan Seyfried wrote:

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On 10.01.2018 23:00, Dominique Leuenberger / DimStar wrote:

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If there is no explicit package maintainer assigned, the project maintainers are the designated maintainers of the packages therein.

Well, then what's the problem of fortune and recode that Knurpht mentioned? By that definition, they have a maintainer and don't need to be dropped.

The person that did the work on recode decided not to do it anymore.. and rightly so wants it dropped. Until just recently, only one person mentioned that he wants to take it over. recode is largely unmaintained by upstream, but CVEs won't stop for that. So whoever decides to take on maintainership of that package has to be aware of that.

And keeping recode just for fortune sounds like an overkill (especially taking into account that Jan created a submission for recode to get rid of the recode dependency).

Add to that that I also drop packages from TW that have a maintainer assigned, but where the maintainer fails to actually fix packages for a long time.

Is there such a strong sentiment for recode? Really?

Then why don't you consider a fortune replacement? I suggested "misfortune" at this thread start. It is included in TW. I have it installed on Leap and it works. The only caveat is that it is called "misfortune", but the command line is compatible, so a symlink would solve the caveat. It even supports UTF-8 strings. It is done in haskell. The only snag I see is that its documentation doesn't hang from the documentation directory, a packaging error probably. Apparently there are other fortune replacements, known as "fortune-mods". -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)