[opensuse-factory] Argon - my experiences
First of all, thank you to all that were involved with Argon/Krypton for your effort, this is really a great idea! But there's still room for improvement... I hope my feedback helps a bit. I downloaded it today, copied it to an USB stick and tried to boot from it. It didn't work, sddm crashed and it fell back to text mode. I had a look at the Xorg log, and it showed that the modesetting driver was in use because radeon couldn't be loaded. Ok, I thought, let's boot with "nomodeset". This helped a bit, I got to the Plasma5 splash screen, but it ended up with a black screen with only the mouse pointer. Ctrl+Alt+Backspace brought me back to the login screen (sddm), where I was able to successfully log in to IceWM. Let's install the radeon driver then, I thought. But alas, the Internet connection wasn't working. In an xterm I saw that the ethernet card doesn't have an IP address, although NetworkManager was running. Entered YaST->Network Settings to switch to Wicked, it insisted to install SUSEFirewall2, which didn't work obviously but it started nevertheless. After switching to Wicked, my network card did have an IP address, but DNS didn't work, I had to run "netconfig update -f" manually. Ok, then I finally wanted to install radeon, but YaST still wasn't able to refresh the repos, it just hang. I tried the same in text mode then, and noticed that there are kernel panics all the time (related to btrfs). Now I remembered that this is a known problem with the Live ISOs (when copied to an USB stick), so I reformatted the hybrid partition with ext4. Then it finally worked, even with the default NetworkManager and the default settings. And I was able to install xorg-x11-drivers-ati, and Plasma5 started successfully. :) So to summarize, I think at least these things are worth to be changed: - the common graphics drivers should be included (radeon, nouveau, intel at least) - it would be good to finally fix that btrfs problem, or at least use ext4 for the hybrid partition when booted from a writeable device. Again, thanks for the effort, and I hope this is not seen as unwanted negative (or even non-constructive) critique... ;-) Kind Regards, Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Wednesday, 24 February 2016 20:12:17 CET Wolfgang Bauer wrote:
First of all, thank you to all that were involved with Argon/Krypton for your effort, this is really a great idea! But there's still room for improvement... I hope my feedback helps a bit.
Hi Wolfgang, Thanks for testing and giving your feedback. There is only some things that I can test on my own hardware.
So to summarize, I think at least these things are worth to be changed: - the common graphics drivers should be included (radeon, nouveau, intel at least)
I will add the xf86-video-ati, xf86-video-intel and xf86-video-nouveau. I was hoping that these would be automatically pulled in, but it seems that we need to add them explicitly.
- it would be good to finally fix that btrfs problem, or at least use ext4 for the hybrid partition when booted from a writeable device.
Ah. I resolved that one for Krypton, where I indicated to use ext4 for the hybrid partition. I also added this now on Argon. Regards Raymond -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Am Mittwoch, 24. Februar 2016, 21:50:53 schrieb Raymond Wooninck:
I will add the xf86-video-ati, xf86-video-intel and xf86-video-nouveau. I was hoping that these would be automatically pulled in, but it seems that we need to add them explicitly. ... Ah. I resolved that one for Krypton, where I indicated to use ext4 for the hybrid partition. I also added this now on Argon.
Great! Thanks. I will give it another try in the next days... One thing I also noticed (haven't really played much with the "unstable" Plasma5 itself yet) is that the openSUSE branding seems to be missing, in particular there's no folderview widget. I'm not sure at the moment though if this is a "problem" of the image itself or because of the things I did to make it work at all. Kind Regards Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Il Wed, 24 Feb 2016 22:16:09 +0100, Wolfgang Bauer ha scritto:
I'm not sure at the moment though if this is a "problem" of the image itself or because of the things I did to make it work at all.
I'll try to test it myself if I get time this weekend. I normally run Unstable with upstream branding, so that's why this has likely slipped off my radar. -- Luca Beltrame - KDE Forums team GPG key ID: A29D259B -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Wednesday, 24 February 2016 22:16:09 CET Wolfgang Bauer wrote:
One thing I also noticed (haven't really played much with the "unstable" Plasma5 itself yet) is that the openSUSE branding seems to be missing, in particular there's no folderview widget.
This is strange, because I am using the openSUSE branding for the Media. And I am even filling the folderview widget with some default apps. Could you also give Krypton a try ? I have done most of the testing with that one and then copied things over to Argon. So I am pretty sure that the folderview widget should appear there. Thanks Regards Raymond -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
At first I'd like to confirm that the latest build boots up fine to a usable Plasma5 desktop now. Am Donnerstag, 25. Februar 2016, 06:44:30 schrieb Raymond Wooninck:
This is strange, because I am using the openSUSE branding for the Media. And I am even filling the folderview widget with some default apps.
Yes, the branding is installed (plasma5-workspace-branding-openSUSE in particular), and the other openSUSE specific things are there, e.g. 2 virtual desktops by default. Just the folderview widget is not added on first login. I can add it manually of course, and the "default apps" show up too then.
Could you also give Krypton a try ?
I did, and it has the same problem. I tried to create a fresh user account, and it was the same. Not even running the plasma layout script manually adds it. But then I noticed that there's only the "Default" activity instead of the "Desktop" one (the layout script creates the latter and adds the folderview widget to it). I also cannot open the "Activity Manager". So I suppose the problem is related to kactivities... kactivitymanagerd is installed and running though, and it seems to work as well, as it lists all the activities that got created by running the layout script manually. Maybe some upstream problem caused by the recent split of kactivities? Or maybe some other change in kactivities and Plasma hasn't been adapted yet? It could also be that the stuff that is to be moved from kactivities to Plasma just isn't in our Plasma packages yet, haven't checked. But this probably will "resolve itself" soon then. Some other minor issues I noticed meanwhile: - gdb is missing. This results in drkonqi (the crash dialog) displaying "The debugger application is missing or could not be launched. The crash information cannot be created.". I think this should be added, especially as this is about the unstable packages... Maybe we should add a Recommends to the drkonqi5 package? The crash dialog does tell the user to install gdb though to "fix" it. - No boot splash (plymouth) shown. I think that's a general problem with the LiveCDs though that exists since quite some time. - Konsole has no "Root Shell" profile, so the "Terminal - Super User Mode" application menu entry only runs a "normal" Konsole. This has been fixed in the stable packages months ago, I'll take care of adding it to the unstable ones too myself. ;) Kind Regards, Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Il Fri, 26 Feb 2016 14:54:25 +0100, Wolfgang Bauer ha scritto:
So I suppose the problem is related to kactivities...
kactivities has dropped all the QML bits from kactivities itself. They're part of a new "kactivities-workspace" repository, currently offered from a scratch repository. They'll be offered as a tarball with the Plasma 5.6 release. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Am Freitag, 26. Februar 2016, 14:02:14 schrieb Luca Beltrame:
kactivities has dropped all the QML bits from kactivities itself.
Yes, that's what I had in mind as well. Should be fixed then with the latest packages in the unstable repos I suppose. When trying to update them, I stumbled over the next problem though: KDE:Unstable:Frameworks is building against KDE:Qt56 meanwhile, so the packages require Qt 5.6 and I got conflicts until I changed the repo URL. Another thing that should be adapted for the ISOs... ;-) I couldn't really update though, because my USB stick went full while installing the packages. So I hope an updated image will be available soon. Kind Regards, Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Hi Wolfgang On Friday, 26 February 2016 19:38:49 CET Wolfgang Bauer wrote:
When trying to update them, I stumbled over the next problem though: KDE:Unstable:Frameworks is building against KDE:Qt56 meanwhile, so the packages require Qt 5.6 and I got conflicts until I changed the repo URL.
Another thing that should be adapted for the ISOs... ;-)
Well, the unstable repo's were only adjusted yesterday and this morning the builds against Qt 5.6 were not finished yet. I noticed that KUF is publishing, but KUA and KUE are still rebuilding against the new KUF. So this will still take some time. As soon as those are ready, hopefully during this weekend, then I can adjust the URL's for Krypton.
So I hope an updated image will be available soon.
This would depend on how fast KUA and KUE are rebuilding at the moment against the new KUF. With regards to the other issue, it is strange that you see those issues with the folderview. This was one of the first things that I checked and I even put there a couple of programs. And it worked, actually. I am working on a Wayland version of Krypton and also there the folderview is appearing directly. But I will the latest builds once I got it with Qt56. Regards Raymond -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Am Freitag, 26. Februar 2016, 22:30:17 schrieb Raymond Wooninck:
Well, the unstable repo's were only adjusted yesterday
Yes I know.
As soon as those are ready, hopefully during this weekend, then I can adjust the URL's for Krypton.
Fine.
With regards to the other issue, it is strange that you see those issues with the folderview.
I find it a bit strange too, but it's definitely what I see here. I did upgrade Qt5 and a few selected KF5/Plasma5 packages meanwhile, and that got the Activity Manager working, but the folderview is still missing. On a fresh user account I now got 3 activities though after logging in for the first time, "Default" and 2! "Desktop", but none of them had a folderview. I might have missed to update some important package though. Anyway, I suppose that is not the biggest problem in the world. My first thought was that the branding packages are not included by mistake (or on purpose), but that's clearly not the case. I will further investigate this myself of course (if the next build doesn't fix it), and try to find out what's going wrong. Kind Regards, Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 02/24/2016 01:12 PM, Wolfgang Bauer wrote:
First of all, thank you to all that were involved with Argon/Krypton for your effort, this is really a great idea! But there's still room for improvement... I hope my feedback helps a bit.
Here's my two cents. I downloaded both. Running krypton from a live USB, there were logs of screen artifacts. Turning off desktop effects fixed that. This was with intel video. Today, I installed krypton (same computer). I then did "zypper dup" to update. It pulled in a lot of other stuff. The video was good. So either the update fixed the artifacts, or they were due to missing software that was pulled in. And, yes, hybridpersistent worked well (the hybrid partition was "ext2" according to "parted" but was mounted as "ext4" according to the "mount" command. -------- I tried Argon from the USB (same computer). It froze on starting up the desktop. Booting with kiwi_hybridpersistent=false fixed the freeze, but I got warnings about running out of disk space on "/home". So I then used Yast to reformat the hybrid partition to "ext4" but with no journal. With that change, it starts up correctly and persistent storage does work. And there were no screen artifacts running Argon. For argon, two of the repos have bad URLs. One of those is trivial "updaet" where it should be "update"). The other was a bit harder to track down (the "Extra" repo as I recall). I have not tried installing Argon (one is enough). -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Wednesday, 24 February 2016 16:33:05 CET Neil Rickert wrote:
Running krypton from a live USB, there were logs of screen artifacts. Turning off desktop effects fixed that. This was with intel video.
I guess this could have been the missing video drivers. I have been testing it inside a virtual machine and there things worked well.
fixed the freeze, but I got warnings about running out of disk space on "/home". So I then used Yast to reformat the hybrid partition to "ext4" but with no journal. With that change, it starts up correctly and persistent storage does work. And there were no screen artifacts running Argon.
This should work now as that Argon is using ext4 for the hybrid_persistent store.
For argon, two of the repos have bad URLs. One of those is trivial "updaet" where it should be "update"). The other was a bit harder to track down (the "Extra" repo as I recall).
I fixed both errors with the repos. The other one was the Qt55 repository, where the url pointed to the TW repo instead of Leap. Just to be on the safe side, all three URL's for the KDE repo's were reentered. I uploaded the changes and I guess that later today there would be a new build for both Media's. Regards Raymond -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
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