Hi, On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 09:51:00AM +0100, Stephan Kulow wrote:

On 14.11.2013 07:50, Jan Engelhardt wrote:

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please consider adding mozilla:addons to the list of permitted projects from which submit requests can be issued. This prj contains packages for plugins and/or extensions(noarch) (some of which are a "must-have", such as adblock+ and google-no-tracking-url).

We'll see what legal-team thinks about having adblock in the distribution, but I won't stand in the way - added the prj

Due to the 'Acceptable Ads' featured by adblock+ I suggest to consider not to include it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adblock_Plus#Advert_filtering_and_.22acceptabl... provides some background information. An alternative might be Adblock Edge which is a fork of adblock+ Cheers, Lars -- Lars Müller [ˈlaː(r)z ˈmʏlɐ] Samba Team + SUSE Labs SUSE Linux, Maxfeldstraße 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany

On 15/11/13 07:50, Achim Gratz wrote:

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Due to the 'Acceptable Ads' featured by adblock+ I suggest to consider not to include it. Oh come on, for as long as that (mis)feature exists there has been a toggle box on the filter subscription page to disable it and happily

Lars Müller writes: live without even the "acceptable" ads.

Regards, Achim.

What you have to remember is that openSUSE is still has its short and curlies in the firm grasp of Microsoft. You don't think so? Well, I suggested to a friend who is working on an important project which will benefit thousands of disadvantaged people to use the openSUSE's OBS. His reaction was - well, I won't embarrass you with it but it left me in no doubt that openSUSE's association with Microsoft has not been forgotten nor will ever be forgotten. As the Actress said to the Bishop, "Trust once gone can never be regained." BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.3 & kernel 3.12.0-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 OC 2GB DDR5 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 15/11/13 19:11, Stephan Kulow wrote:

On 15.11.2013 07:35, Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 15/11/13 07:50, Achim Gratz wrote:

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Due to the 'Acceptable Ads' featured by adblock+ I suggest to consider not to include it. Oh come on, for as long as that (mis)feature exists there has been a toggle box on the filter subscription page to disable it and happily

Lars Müller writes: live without even the "acceptable" ads.

Regards, Achim. What you have to remember is that openSUSE is still has its short and curlies in the firm grasp of Microsoft.

You don't think so?

Well, I suggested to a friend who is working on an important project which will benefit thousands of disadvantaged people to use the openSUSE's OBS. His reaction was - well, I won't embarrass you with it but it left me in no doubt that openSUSE's association with Microsoft has not been forgotten nor will ever be forgotten.

As the Actress said to the Bishop, "Trust once gone can never be regained."

Basil, this is opensuse-factory not opensuse-gossip-sharing. Nothing of what you said has anything to do with the thread, so behave!

Greetings, Stephan

I know that but you have to admit that openSUSE has a big PR problem. And this is not gossiping but trying to point out something important. The view "out there" is what I summarised above. And its not going to go away when someone like Andrey Borzenkov posts this 2 days ago in *this* list: quote What are you trying to achieve? openSUSE is using bootloader signed by Microsoft, so it normally should not be necessary. Further verification is done by this bootloader which already knows openSUSE key. unquote Passing on the beliefs of those who do not use openSUSE is not gossip but stating reality. And if you or anyone else who considers this to be "gossip" then accept my apologies (for stating the bleeding obvious). BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.3 & kernel 3.12.0-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 OC 2GB DDR5 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 16/11/13 23:46, Andreas Jaeger wrote:

On 11/16/2013 03:57 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 15/11/13 19:11, Stephan Kulow wrote:

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On 15.11.2013 07:35, Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 15/11/13 07:50, Achim Gratz wrote:

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Due to the 'Acceptable Ads' featured by adblock+ I suggest to consider not to include it. Oh come on, for as long as that (mis)feature exists there has been a toggle box on the filter subscription page to disable it and happily

Lars Müller writes: live without even the "acceptable" ads.

Regards, Achim. What you have to remember is that openSUSE is still has its short and curlies in the firm grasp of Microsoft.

You don't think so?

Well, I suggested to a friend who is working on an important project which will benefit thousands of disadvantaged people to use the openSUSE's OBS. His reaction was - well, I won't embarrass you with it but it left me in no doubt that openSUSE's association with Microsoft has not been forgotten nor will ever be forgotten.

As the Actress said to the Bishop, "Trust once gone can never be regained."

Basil, this is opensuse-factory not opensuse-gossip-sharing. Nothing of what you said has anything to do with the thread, so behave!

Greetings, Stephan I know that but you have to admit that openSUSE has a big PR problem. And this is not gossiping but trying to point out something important. The view "out there" is what I summarised above.

And its not going to go away when someone like Andrey Borzenkov posts this 2 days ago in *this* list:

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What are you trying to achieve? openSUSE is using bootloader signed by Microsoft, so it normally should not be necessary. Further verification is done by this bootloader which already knows openSUSE key.

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Passing on the beliefs of those who do not use openSUSE is not gossip but stating reality. And if you or anyone else who considers this to be "gossip" then accept my apologies (for stating the bleeding obvious).

Basil, you have no clue how secure boot works, please learn about it before spreading FUD.

To get secure boot working on all systems, you sign the bootloader with a key - and that one needs a trust relationship with one of the keys on your system. And there's only one key on every system - the Microsoft one...

Andreas

Hi Andreas, There are many things I know nothing, or very little, about. I have never claimed to be omnipotent. But I do know many people, and they pass on to me what they think and what they hear from their associates. At least one of these people is an author of articles in a leading IT magazine. While other distros may use the security key provided by Microsoft, nevertheless it is a fact that Novell - and openSUSE - got "into bed" with Microsoft and this stigmatic association has never left openSUSE whether you, or anyone else, like it or not. Sometime ago there was a person hired who was an (?)industrial psychologist and who was to provide PR services to promote openSUSE. Sorry, but at the moment i cannot recall his/her name nor when his/her tenure started. But when last week I got a message, the gist of which is above, then something has not gone right re the PR program. I have been a user of openSUSE (nee S.u.S.E. Professional in the green box with a big, fat, Administration Guide) since ~2000 and have tried to promote it in my own way whenever able without sounding like an oS fanatic. i have expressed this to you in the past as you may remember. But one cannot continue to do battle on behalf of oS with both hands tied behind one's back. Andreas, I may have "no clue how secure boot works" but I wonder if you could tell me: why is the name openSUSE, which started way back in 1992 under Mantel and friends, is little known or in greater use when compared to a 2004 upstart called Ubuntu/Kubuntu? Why is this so? BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.2 on a Lenovo T-series laptop. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 11:42 AM, Dominique Leuenberger a.k.a. Dimstar wrote:

Quoting Basil Chupin :

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While other distros may use the security key provided by Microsoft, nevertheless it is a fact that Novell - and openSUSE - got "into bed" with Microsoft and this stigmatic association has never left openSUSE whether you, or anyone else, like it or not.

And I think you're doing a perfect job in reiterating this fact whenever you can.. Surely the most helpful you can do.

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