[opensuse-factory] SDDM
Hi Since upgrading to Plasma 5.3 from KDE4 Tumbleweed, should my system be using KDM or SDDM? Or does it not matter. regards Ian -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 11:07 AM, ianseeks
Hi
Since upgrading to Plasma 5.3 from KDE4 Tumbleweed, should my system be using KDM or SDDM? Or does it not matter.
With Plasma 5, use SDDM. lightdm is also a possible option. It is my understanding that KDM will be retired from service. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
With Plasma 5, use SDDM. lightdm is also a possible option. It is my understanding that KDM will be retired from service.
To be precise, KDM has been unmaintained for years. Upstream has removed it from the workspace in favor of SDDM. Keep in mind, though, that the 4.x based KDM still works perfectly fine (so you can still use it if you want). -- Luca Beltrame - KDE Forums team KDE Science supporter GPG key ID: 6E1A4E79 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 19 May 2015 17:35:13 Luca Beltrame wrote:
Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
With Plasma 5, use SDDM. lightdm is also a possible option. It is my understanding that KDM will be retired from service.
To be precise, KDM has been unmaintained for years. Upstream has removed it from the workspace in favor of SDDM.
Keep in mind, though, that the 4.x based KDM still works perfectly fine (so you can still use it if you want). Thanks. it works fine but you have to use "Configure Desktop" to maintain the login dialog instead of systemsettings5. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 19 May 2015 17:35:13 Luca Beltrame wrote:
Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
With Plasma 5, use SDDM. lightdm is also a possible option. It is my understanding that KDM will be retired from service.
To be precise, KDM has been unmaintained for years. Upstream has removed it from the workspace in favor of SDDM.
Keep in mind, though, that the 4.x based KDM still works perfectly fine (so you can still use it if you want). It does seem to work okay but you have to use both systemsettings5 and "Configure Desktop" for different things. i.e. if you are using KDM then use "Configure Desktop" if you want to alter the login dialog in any way. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Luca Beltrame composed on 2015-05-19 17:35 (UTC+0200):
Cristian RodrÃguez wrote:
With Plasma 5, use SDDM. lightdm is also a possible option. It is my understanding that KDM will be retired from service.
To be precise, KDM has been unmaintained for years. Upstream has removed it from the workspace in favor of SDDM.
Keep in mind, though, that the 4.x based KDM still works perfectly fine (so you can still use it if you want).
Note that for me, *only* KDM works "perfectly fine". The "S" in SDDM is derived from the word "simple", and simple SDDM is. SDDM lacks the feature richness of KDM. Last I checked, SDDM still lacked any option to specify particular users to be listed in its greeter. That alone makes it useless to me even if I ignore the other KDM options it lacks. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 3:14 PM, Felix Miata
Luca Beltrame composed on 2015-05-19 17:35 (UTC+0200):
Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
With Plasma 5, use SDDM. lightdm is also a possible option. It is my understanding that KDM will be retired from service.
To be precise, KDM has been unmaintained for years. Upstream has removed it from the workspace in favor of SDDM.
Keep in mind, though, that the 4.x based KDM still works perfectly fine (so you can still use it if you want).
Note that for me, *only* KDM works "perfectly fine". The "S" in SDDM is derived from the word "simple", and simple SDDM is. SDDM lacks the feature richness of KDM. Last I checked, SDDM still lacked any option to specify particular users to be listed in its greeter. That alone makes it useless to me even if I ignore the other KDM options it lacks.
Well.. KDM has been put to death.. you need to adapt to the newer options somewhat..Trying to convice SDDM developers to add the most critical things you miss about KDM is an option, I say that because it is unlikely that you will get all "missing" functionality back. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Cristian Rodríguez composed on 2015-05-19 15:49 (UTC-0300):
Felix Miata wrote:
Note that for me, *only* KDM works "perfectly fine". The "S" in SDDM is derived from the word "simple", and simple SDDM is. SDDM lacks the feature richness of KDM. Last I checked, SDDM still lacked any option to specify particular users to be listed in its greeter. That alone makes it useless to me even if I ignore the other KDM options it lacks.
Well.. KDM has been put to death.. you need to adapt to the newer options somewhat..
So far I mostly use multi-user.target and startx to do that, but it seems startx gets new breakage to futz over about every month or two ever since Wayland started commanding the bulk of upstream X resources.
Trying to convice SDDM developers to add the most critical things you miss about KDM is an option,
Googling sddm mailing list and sddm bug tracker produced nothing useful. Anyone know where to go to do so? IOW, who and where are upstream SDDM?
I say that because it is unlikely that you will get all "missing" functionality back. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)
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Am Dienstag, 19. Mai 2015, 15:23:06 schrieb Felix Miata:
Cristian Rodríguez composed on 2015-05-19 15:49 (UTC-0300):
Trying to convice SDDM developers to add the most critical things you miss about KDM is an option,
Googling sddm mailing list and sddm bug tracker produced nothing useful. Anyone know where to go to do so? IOW, who and where are upstream SDDM?
https://github.com/sddm/sddm A TODO list is here btw: https://github.com/sddm/sddm/wiki/TODO Specifying particular users to be shown is not possible AFAIK. But you can specify the minimum and maximum user ids to be shown, and you can hide specific users. Have a look at "man sddm.conf". Kind Regards, Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Wolfgang Bauer composed on 2015-05-19 22:22 (UTC+0200):
Felix Miata composed:
Googling sddm mailing list and sddm bug tracker produced nothing useful. Anyone know where to go to do so? IOW, who and where are upstream SDDM?
Yet another web site with mostly semi-visible text, designed by the naive for the visually gifted. On return now, I remember having gone there before, finding neither mailing list nor web forum, and yet another unique bug tracker to try to figure out. :-(
A TODO list is here btw: https://github.com/sddm/sddm/wiki/TODO
String "selected" does not appear on that page. Tracker search also produces nothing on point open or closed. :-(
Specifying particular users to be shown is not possible AFAIK. But you can specify the minimum and maximum user ids to be shown, and you can hide specific users. Have a look at "man sddm.conf".
I saw that. It's very clumsy. My exclude list would have to be many times the size of an include list. :-( -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Am Dienstag, 19. Mai 2015, 17:05:53 schrieb Felix Miata:
Wolfgang Bauer composed on 2015-05-19 22:22 (UTC+0200):
Felix Miata composed:
Googling sddm mailing list and sddm bug tracker produced nothing useful. Anyone know where to go to do so? IOW, who and where are upstream SDDM?
Yet another web site with mostly semi-visible text, designed by the naive for the visually gifted. On return now, I remember having gone there before, finding neither mailing list nor web forum, and yet another unique bug tracker to try to figure out. :-(
That's github. Not at all unique to SDDM...
A TODO list is here btw: https://github.com/sddm/sddm/wiki/TODO
String "selected" does not appear on that page. Tracker search also produces nothing on point open or closed. :-(
I didn't want to imply that the feature(s) you miss are already being worked on. I just wanted to point to the TODO list of features that are planned to be implemented by the developers.
Specifying particular users to be shown is not possible AFAIK. But you can specify the minimum and maximum user ids to be shown, and you can hide specific users. Have a look at "man sddm.conf".
I saw that. It's very clumsy. My exclude list would have to be many times the size of an include list. :-(
Well, again, I just tried to explain what is possible *at the moment*. If you arrange the user ids "the right way", using MinimumUid and MaximumUid should work for you though. Kind Regards, Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Wolfgang Bauer composed on 2015-05-20 18:01 (UTC+0200):
If you arrange the user ids "the right way", using MinimumUid and MaximumUid should work for you though.
There is no "right way" given current options was my point. To include all required would include 100% of those that exist, unless multiple blocks could be excluded rather than including just one block, a very round about way much more complicated than simply having a short list of random IDs to include. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 20 May 2015 12:39:07 Felix Miata wrote:
Wolfgang Bauer composed on 2015-05-20 18:01 (UTC+0200):
If you arrange the user ids "the right way", using MinimumUid and MaximumUid should work for you though.
There is no "right way" given current options was my point. To include all required would include 100% of those that exist, unless multiple blocks could be excluded rather than including just one block, a very round about way much more complicated than simply having a short list of random IDs to include.
The question is how one comes by a list of UIDs for users which is nonconsecutive. User accounts normally start with a UID of 1000 (has been 500 in ancient SuSE times ...). If you have assigned your UIDs in a random manner and mixed in system accounts, thats your fault. Dont blame other for your lack of organisation. Regards, Stefan -- Stefan Brüns / Bergstraße 21 / 52062 Aachen home: +49 241 53809034 mobile: +49 151 50412019 work: +49 2405 49936-424 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Stefan Bruens composed on 2015-05-21 00:31 (UTC+0200):
Felix Miata wrote:
Wolfgang Bauer composed on 2015-05-20 18:01 (UTC+0200):
If you arrange the user ids "the right way", using MinimumUid and MaximumUid should work for you though.
There is no "right way" given current options was my point. To include all required would include 100% of those that exist, unless multiple blocks could be excluded rather than including just one block, a very round about way much more complicated than simply having a short list of random IDs to include.
The question is how one comes by a list of UIDs for users which is nonconsecutive. User accounts normally start with a UID of 1000 (has been 500 in ancient SuSE times ...).
User IDs here date back into the prior century. OTOH, the system creates IDs as it sees fit, as packages are installed that require their own IDs. De minimus mixing occurs because the system does not give the sysadmin any opportunity to choose IDs for those it creates.
If you have assigned your UIDs in a random manner and mixed in system accounts, thats your fault. Dont blame other for your lack of organisation.
There's nothing random or disorganized about how I created my accounts. They are purposely non-consecutive. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Am Mittwoch, 20. Mai 2015, 19:09:19 schrieb Felix Miata:
User IDs here date back into the prior century. OTOH, the system creates IDs as it sees fit, as packages are installed that require their own IDs.
System accounts and accounts created by packages should all have a user id below 1000, no? And standard user accounts are >=1000 (has been 500, years ago) by default as mentioned. The "solution" is "simple" though. Reserve a range of user ids for the users you want to be shown, and specify that by MinimumUid/MaximumUid. Or create users that should not be shown as "system users", i.e. with an id below 1000. Probably not easy on an existing system with a lot of users though I suppose... Please note my usage of quotes, also in the previous mail. Anyway, I didn't want to imply that such an option as you desire would not make sense or shouldn't be implemented. But again, it is not available *at the moment*, unless that option just has been forgotten to be mentioned in the man page... The TODO list I pointed you to earlier does contain the following item though: * AccountsService -- Needs Qt5 IIANM, AccountsService would allow you to explicitly show/hide specific users. Kind Regards, Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 10:23 PM, Felix Miata
Googling sddm mailing list and sddm bug tracker produced nothing useful. Anyone know where to go to do so? IOW, who and where are upstream SDDM?
According to https://github.com/sddm/sddm#resources - https://github.com/sddm/sddm - https://github.com/sddm/sddm/issues - https://github.com/sddm/sddm/wiki - https://groups.google.com/group/sddm-devel - sddm on irc.freenode.net - sddm-devel on irc.freenode.net Robert -- http://robert.muntea.nu/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Robert Munteanu composed on 2015-05-19 23:44 (UTC-0300):
Felix Miata wrote:
Googling sddm mailing list and sddm bug tracker produced nothing useful. Anyone know where to go to do so? IOW, who and where are upstream SDDM?
According to https://github.com/sddm/sddm#resources
- https://github.com/sddm/sddm - https://github.com/sddm/sddm/issues - https://github.com/sddm/sddm/wiki
https://github.com/sddm/sddm/wiki/TODO was last updated over 10 months ago. :-(
That doesn't work for everyone, including me, and apparently others. It looks like last activity there was over 7 months ago. :-(
- sddm on irc.freenode.net - sddm-devel on irc.freenode.net
Joining latter refers to former. I posed the question on the former 20 minutes ago. Still no response. SDDM doesn't seem to have much more devel life than KDM. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Am Dienstag, 19. Mai 2015, 17:41:49 schrieb Felix Miata:
SDDM doesn't seem to have much more devel life than KDM. It definitely has.
I filed a bug report yesterday and got a response within 10(!) minutes... Kind Regards, Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Wolfgang Bauer composed on 2015-05-20 15:25 (UTC+0200):
Felix Miata composed:
SDDM doesn't seem to have much more devel life than KDM.
It definitely has.
I filed a bug report yesterday and got a response within 10(!) minutes...
URL? I asked a question 17 hours ago in irc://freenode/sddm and it still hasn't been answered. There have only been 11 actions in that room since, nothing but leaves and joins. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Am Mittwoch, 20. Mai 2015, 10:22:49 schrieb Felix Miata:
URL? https://github.com/sddm/sddm/issues, as already has been mentioned.
Kind Regards, Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Wolfgang Bauer composed on 2015-05-20 19:41 (UTC+0200):
Felix Miata composed:
URL?
https://github.com/sddm/sddm/issues, as already has been mentioned.
That's a bug *list*, not *the* bug you filed. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Le mercredi 20 mai 2015 à 15:28 -0400, Felix Miata a écrit :
Wolfgang Bauer composed on 2015-05-20 19:41 (UTC+0200):
Felix Miata composed:
URL?
https://github.com/sddm/sddm/issues, as already has been mentioned.
That's a bug *list*, not *the* bug you filed.
Ok, this discussion has drifted a lot and is not related to openSUSE Factory/Tumbleweed anymore. How about you engage directly with sddm developers directly with what you think is missing in their software from your PoV ? Moaning here won't make things happen by magic. -- Frederic Crozat Enterprise Desktop Release Manager SUSE -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Frederic Crozat composed on 2015-05-21 10:08 (UTC+0200):
Felix Miata composed:
Wolfgang Bauer composed on 2015-05-20 19:41 (UTC+0200):
Felix Miata composed:
URL?
https://github.com/sddm/sddm/issues, as already has been mentioned.
That's a bug *list*, not *the* bug you filed.
Ok, this discussion has drifted a lot and is not related to openSUSE Factory/Tumbleweed anymore.
You're right, this rather moot, for now, since no plans have yet been announced to drop the sddm superiors kdebase3-kdm and/or kdm.
How about you engage directly with sddm developers directly with what you think is missing in their software from your PoV ?
As noted upthread, I did give that a try, on IRC, with 0 response. I'm not spending time learning more unique bug trackers, and there are no forums for SDDM other than IRC and its tracker I could find, which means here is all there really is WRT SDDM for any openSUSE. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Am Mittwoch, 20. Mai 2015, 15:28:06 schrieb Felix Miata:
Wolfgang Bauer composed on 2015-05-20 19:41 (UTC+0200):
Felix Miata composed:
URL?
https://github.com/sddm/sddm/issues, as already has been mentioned.
That's a bug *list*, not *the* bug you filed.
You asked for an URL, but did not specify which URL you want. And that's not just a bug *list*, but a bug/issues tracker, where you can file new bugs/issues too. Here is my bug report though: https://github.com/sddm/sddm/issues/420 Kind Regards, Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
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