[opensuse-factory] Alpha1 installer / step Software selection
Hello, Haven't seen it discussed yet on the list, and I just try to install my first Alpha1 (after having it on the other computer upgraded to Factory since 10.2). In the Software selection Dialog, I hope the selection: 'Open and modify documents from my mother' is meant as a joke for an alpha installer, right? Why: - It does not say anything of what it actually means (probably OpenOffice and the like). - If it's a young kid that wants to read the files of his mum, he most likely anyhow is the one that helps his mum, and the one with more knowledge. - If MUM is installing it, she will more likely worry to open files of her kids; at a certain age, mums just are no longer. I feel this sentence a little bit insulting during an installation. What are other people's opinion about this? Dominique -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Am Donnerstag 24 Januar 2008 schrieb Dominique Leuenberger:
What are other people's opinion about this?
I'm seriously worried that all the reviews did not mention it actually - which makes me believe most only looked at screenshots :) It's not _exactly_ a joke. We wanted to redo the "KDE or GNOME" dialog into doing more, so I challenged the team and they came up with [ ] Office [ ] Multimedia [ ] Internet And I said: what is Office? Is that software I need if I work in an office (e.g. patience game) or can I use it at home too? Do I need to check this box too, if all I want is to open document sent by my mother (and I'm afraid _my_ mother working in an office and sending .ppt and .doc files all the time didn't help the point :)? I didn't get a reply till I looked at the dialog you're seeing. So here we are - any better suggestions? ;-) Actually what I want in that dialog is [ ] Minimal Installation (the bare minimum) [ ] Server Installation (no desktop) [ ] XFCE Desktop (only necessary applications) [ ] GNOME Desktop (with Browser, Office programs) [ ] KDE Desktop (with Browser, Office programs) I'm just not sure yet about the order :) Gretings, Stephan --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, 24 Jan 2008, Stephan Kulow wrote:- <snip>
I didn't get a reply till I looked at the dialog you're seeing. So here we are - any better suggestions? ;-)
I actually like the look of the new "System Type and Software Selection" screen[0] with the different types in the single list. What would be nice is for the package selection to honour choices made on this screen. E.g. someone leaving "Play games" unchecked is likely to expect there to be no games, the same with multimedia and graphics. Leaving these unchecked shouldn't install packages within those groups, unless they are required by other packages. It would also be nice if not enabling the "Open and modify documents from my mother" would remove the Office patterns. At present, the new usage boxes don't appear to actually do anything. Or deselecting them doesn't at the moment. I guess that there's going to have to be some changes to the patterns again to make them actually do what the descriptive text says.
Actually what I want in that dialog is
[ ] Minimal Installation (the bare minimum) [ ] Server Installation (no desktop) [ ] XFCE Desktop (only necessary applications) [ ] GNOME Desktop (with Browser, Office programs) [ ] KDE Desktop (with Browser, Office programs)
You've either missed out the "Minimal X" or the "Text Mode" selection from that list.
I'm just not sure yet about the order :)
I think the way the pop-up was laid out was quite good. The ordering with the full featured GUI desktops first, then the minimal X, a text only system, and finally the bare minimum. [0] Although you probably don't need to see it again, there's an alpha 1 screenshot here: URL:http://www.davjam.org/mediawiki/index.php/Image:OpenSUSE-11.0a1-installa... Regards, David Bolt -- Team Acorn: http://www.distributed.net/ OGR-P2 @ ~100Mnodes RC5-72 @ ~15Mkeys SUSE 10.1 32bit | openSUSE 10.2 32bit | openSUSE 10.3 32bit | openSUSE 11.0a0 SUSE 10.1 64bit | openSUSE 10.2 64bit | openSUSE 10.3 64bit RISC OS 3.6 | TOS 4.02 | openSUSE 10.3 PPC |RISC OS 3.11 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 David Bolt schreef: | On Thu, 24 Jan 2008, Stephan Kulow wrote:- | | <snip> | | | I think the way the pop-up was laid out was quite good. The ordering | with the full featured GUI desktops first, then the minimal X, a text | only system, and finally the bare minimum. | | | [0] Although you probably don't need to see it again, there's an alpha 1 | screenshot here: | | URL:http://www.davjam.org/mediawiki/index.php/Image:OpenSUSE-11.0a1-installa... | | Regards, | David Bolt | Since i was updating, i did not see that! What a beautifull difference! Realy: 'Now'...not that that bussines pretender shit.. This begins to look realy free and original, imo. Looks less scary for a noob i guess also... ;-) And, i like the sentence with mother... [OT] I luckily also still have one,..a mother, she is 90, and until her stroke, 6 years ago, she used a PC and played games, e-mailed and browsed the internet....and rewrote her lifestory from Amiga,..(she started to write the 4 bit games like snake, in the early days...for the tape streaming commodore, before Amiga 600, and 1200...) Now she can shut off the TV and the DVD-Player, but nothing else, helas...but she is still anice person to have around.. [/OT] - -- Have a nice day, M9. Now, is the only time that exists. ~ OS: Linux 2.6.24-rc8-git2-3-default x86_64 ~ Huidige gebruiker: monkey9@tribal-sfn2 ~ Systeem: openSUSE 11.0 (x86_64) Alpha1 ~ KDE: 3.5.8 "release 36" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.8 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkeaLjwACgkQX5/X5X6LpDhEaQCfbBZiESQjIgHRroAYQ+InAgZL JUgAn29Idly/WemCW+nT6t9VdEA57cOh =4bol -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Hello, on Donnerstag, 24. Januar 2008, Stephan Kulow wrote: ...
And I said: what is Office? Is that software I need if I work in an office (e.g. patience game)
*LOL*
or can I use it at home too? Do I need to check this box too, if all I want is to open document sent by my mother (and I'm afraid _my_ mother working in an office and sending .ppt and .doc files all the time didn't help the point :)?
I didn't get a reply till I looked at the dialog you're seeing. So here we are - any better suggestions? ;-)
What about simply "Open and modify documents"? That said: The dialog looks really good, and the sort order in the "Type of System" chooser also looks good. (Well, KDE could be on the first position *SCNR*) Regards, Christian Boltz --
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Am Freitag 25 Januar 2008 schrieb David Bolt:
At present, the new usage boxes don't appear to actually do anything. Or deselecting them doesn't at the moment. I guess that there's going to have to be some changes to the patterns again to make them actually do what the descriptive text says.
This was just a bug.
Actually what I want in that dialog is
[ ] Minimal Installation (the bare minimum) [ ] Server Installation (no desktop) [ ] XFCE Desktop (only necessary applications) [ ] GNOME Desktop (with Browser, Office programs) [ ] KDE Desktop (with Browser, Office programs)
You've either missed out the "Minimal X" or the "Text Mode" selection from that list.
I renamed that to "Server" actually - and "Minimal X" to XFCE :) We discussed this on friday and we're working on some other feature to speed up the installation, that would be very complicated with these checkboxes, so we'll have to limit the number of default choices - the individual software selection will stay though. Greetings, Stephan --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
David Bolt napsal(a):
On Thu, 24 Jan 2008, Stephan Kulow wrote:-
<snip>
I didn't get a reply till I looked at the dialog you're seeing. So here we are - any better suggestions? ;-)
I actually like the look of the new "System Type and Software Selection" screen[0] with the different types in the single list. What would be nice is for the package selection to honour choices made on this screen. E.g. someone leaving "Play games" unchecked is likely to expect there to be no games, the same with multimedia and graphics. Leaving these unchecked shouldn't install packages within those groups, unless they are required by other packages. It would also be nice if not enabling the "Open and modify documents from my mother" would remove the Office patterns.
Thanks :) This dialog has been designed to ease the installation for common users. In my opinion, many users want to only install the base system with "some" patterns and then install additional software later. If you select the "base" or "minimal" system type, then the checkbox does something, e.g., selects or doesn't select the OpenOffice and friends. Actually, the software selection is pattern-based and the pattern is called "office". Of course, the label has been selected to attract your attention to get some reports and opinions from the community.
At present, the new usage boxes don't appear to actually do anything. Or deselecting them doesn't at the moment. I guess that there's going to have to be some changes to the patterns again to make them actually do what the descriptive text says.
There is a bug/old behavior in software proposal that doesn't expect anyone else to select a pattern/package/etc. to be installed/upgraded... Have a nice day Lukas
Stephan Kulow
Actually what I want in that dialog is
[ ] Minimal Installation (the bare minimum) [ ] Server Installation (no desktop) [ ] XFCE Desktop (only necessary applications) [ ] GNOME Desktop (with Browser, Office programs) [ ] KDE Desktop (with Browser, Office programs)
I'm just not sure yet about the order :)
Do it graphically--I hope this is confusing enough ;) +-----------+-------------+----------+ | GNOME Desktop KDE Desktop | +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + | . | ------- | . | + + | . | -/ \- | . | + + | . |/ Minimal \| . | + + | . || Installa- || . | + + | . |\ tion /| . | + + | . | -\ /- | . | + + | . | ------- | . | + + | . | | . | + + Server Installation++++++Server Installation + + | . | | . | + +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ | . | | . | | . | | . | +---------.-+-------------+-.--------+ . . . XFCE Desktop . ................... -- Karl Eichwalder R&D / Documentation SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Lukas Ocilka
Understandable but not very-well visible :) Next time you might want to use a Sand-Art technique ;)
http://youtube.com/results?search_query=sand+art&search=Search
Very nice--I did not know this technique. I just gave Emacs artist-mode a try. -- Karl Eichwalder R&D / Documentation SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Karl Eichwalder napsal(a): ...
Do it graphically--I hope this is confusing enough ;)
+-----------+-------------+----------+ | GNOME Desktop KDE Desktop | +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + | . | ------- | . | + + | . | -/ \- | . | + + | . |/ Minimal \| . | + + | . || Installa- || . | + + | . |\ tion /| . | + + | . | -\ /- | . | + + | . | ------- | . | + + | . | | . | + + Server Installation++++++Server Installation + + | . | | . | + +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ | . | | . | | . | | . | +---------.-+-------------+-.--------+ . . . XFCE Desktop . ...................
Understandable but not very-well visible :) Next time you might want to use a Sand-Art technique ;) http://youtube.com/results?search_query=sand+art&search=Search L. -- Lukas Ocilka, YaST Developer (xn--luk-gla45d) ----------------------------------------------------------------- SUSE LINUX, s. r. o., Lihovarska 1060/12, Praha 9, Czech Republic
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