On 12/22/2012 02:53 AM, Ilya Chernykh wrote:

On Saturday 22 December 2012 05:35:29 Claudio Freire wrote:

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On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 10:25 PM, Roman Bysh wrote:

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Does anyone know when we will begin seeing the new openSUSE Software Center?

You mean YAST?

Possibly he means thgis one

http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-bretzn/attachments/20110125/6475ff43/attac...

will we get to vote on the ability to still use YaST without all the colorful distractions and bandwidth? dd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 12/22/2012 07:21 PM, Jan Engelhardt wrote:

On Saturday 2012-12-22 20:07, DenverD wrote:

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On 12/22/2012 02:53 AM, Ilya Chernykh wrote:

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On Saturday 22 December 2012 05:35:29 Claudio Freire wrote:

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On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 10:25 PM, Roman Bysh wrote:

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Does anyone know when we will begin seeing the new openSUSE Software Center?

You mean YAST?

Possibly he means thgis one

http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-bretzn/attachments/20110125/6475ff43/attac...

will we get to vote on the ability to still use YaST without all the colorful distractions and bandwidth?

Is that not a given?

N.B. screenshot: On OpenSUSE, showing comments about Karmic is quite pointless.

No not Yast. In 2010 there was a big meeting about Poject Bretzn. They were discussing about creating a software center using a common theme that could be applied to a number of other distros. I read that there was talk about taking the code for the Ubuntu Software Center and applying it to the style of openSUSE. Cheers! Roman -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Roman Bysh wrote:

On Sun 23 Dec 2012 04:14:58 PM EST, Roman Bysh wrote:

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No not Yast.

In 2010 there was a big meeting about Project Bretzn. They were discussing about creating a software center using a common theme that could be applied to a number of other distros.

I read that there was talk about taking the code for the Ubuntu Software Center and applying it to the style of openSUSE.

So far very little has been said about the status of Project Bretzn and

the new openSUSE Software Center. It would be nice to hear from the openSUSE office about the status. Yes?

This is all I know: http://blog.jospoortvliet.com/2011/09/bretzn-at-osc.html?m=1 Greg -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 6:14 PM, Roman Bysh wrote:

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You mean YAST?

Possibly he means thgis one

http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-bretzn/attachments/20110125/6475ff43/attac...

will we get to vote on the ability to still use YaST without all the colorful distractions and bandwidth? ...

No not Yast.

In 2010 there was a big meeting about Poject Bretzn. They were discussing about creating a software center using a common theme that could be applied to a number of other distros.

I read that there was talk about taking the code for the Ubuntu Software Center and applying it to the style of openSUSE.

I honestly don't like the Ubuntu Software Center (arguably, I'd be running Ubuntu if I did). To me, all the bells and whistles YAST provides (and YAST isn't alone here, think Synaptic) are very useful. Maybe it's because I like being able to source-install something (arguably that's not a very common use case). Maybe it's because I am actually interested in browsing the dependency graph, or checking changelogs (arguably not everybody - rather not many - are). In any case, I would consider such a "Software Center" a step backwards in comparison with YAST. What does people love so much about it? Could that be added to YAST? Just a thought -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 2012-12-25 15:41 (GMT-0500) Roman Bysh composed:

Personally. I don't like the Ubuntu Software Center. However, I would like to see Yast beautified.

I don't care about "beautiful", only usable, which YaST2 often isn't now.

Someone added a slider that appears substandard. Yast Package Manager uses rows where the height should be increased.

YaST2 Software Management differs according to DE. Which are you referring to?

Screanshots would be nice

A number of them @ https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=793565 -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 2012-12-25 21:10 (GMT-0300) Claudio Freire composed:

Felix Miata wrote:

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Screanshots would be nice

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A number of them @ https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=793565

Well, but that one seems more of a DE issue than YAST.

The point of my thread reply was that YaST2 Software Management wears at least two massively different faces if it's not at least two massively different programs. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 2012-12-26 06:59 (GMT+0400) Andrey Borzenkov composed:

÷ Tue, 25 Dec 2012 16:03:49 -0500 Felix Miata composed:

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YaST2 Software Management differs according to DE. Which are you referring to?

You probably actually mean toolkit? It is possible to run both Qt and GTK versions of YaST2 under any DE and I have often seen advices to use Qt version even in Gnome.

I've never before seen mention that anyone can choose which toolkit built the Software Management window that options from YaST Control Center. IOW, without knowing and choosing otherwise, the SM window that opens varies according to the DE running, not whatever toolkit built that window. Help for that window makes no mention of toolkit. Regardless, there at least two very different faces worn by SM. Until the thread that caused me to append https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=793565 with screenshots other than from KDE/TDE, I had no idea different faces existed. I find the one in XFCE dismal compared to the one in KDE, even after switching it from its absurdly small default open size to fullscreen. How/where can one choose to use the other? I'm sure Monte Milanuk would like to know, if not others suffering from the non-QT version (outside of Gnome?). -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

How/where can one choose to use the other? I'm sure Monte Milanuk would like to know, if not others suffering from the non-QT version (outside of Gnome?). There are two GUI interfaces: Qt and GTK+. Make sure to install the appropriate pattern: patterns-openSUSE-kde4_yast or

On Tue, 2012-12-25 at 23:00 -0500, Felix Miata wrote: patterns-openSUSE-gnome_yast. From your screenshots, it looks like XFCE uses the GTK+ interface, and LXDE uses the KDE interface. Now in YaST open /etc/sysconfig editor, [resize everything to make it usable], go to System -> Yast2 -> GUI. You have two options, WANTED_SHELL and WANTED_GUI. By default they are set to auto, so they'll change depending on your DE, but you can force them. WANTED_SHELL is the initial YaST screen that you use to launch individual modules; you might want to leave this to Auto since each shell looks good with its intended DE. WANTED_GUI controls the modules themselves - I recommend setting this to Qt. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Wed, 2012-12-26 at 18:14 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:

Actually there are only two modules that change in functionality: software management and updates (sw_single and online_update). If you only want to change those two to the "qt" flavour, there is a simple change to the code that makes just that:

if [ "$module" = "sw_single" ] || [ "$module" = "online_update" ]; then WANTED_GUI="qt" fi

in /sbin/yast, function select_gui_frontend() just after the first 'if'.

It's not a matter of the design of individual modules - in fact I somewhat prefer the design behind the GTK+ software center - but that the GTK+ interface is broken for ALL modules; see http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2012-12/msg00516.html. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Wed, 2012-12-26 at 06:59 +0400, Andrey Borzenkov wrote:

You probably actually mean toolkit? It is possible to run both Qt and GTK versions of YaST2 under any DE and I have often seen advices to use Qt version even in Gnome. Of course - the Gtk+ version in 12.2 is actually all but unusable. In 12.1 there were issues with buttons being drawn offscreen, even when maximized. That still happens sometimes, but now the issue is that every window opens exceedingly small, every single time.

E.g. here is the lovely software management interface: http://bugzillafiles.novell.org/attachment.cgi?id=505287 The lovely date and time interface: http://bugzillafiles.novell.org/attachment.cgi?id=492586 You can imagine the loveliness that opens up if you try to install using the GNOME Live CD, and why I send people who want to try GNOME to other distros. (And it is *literally* unusable for small screens, since it's sometimes impossible to resize the window such that a button draws onscreen. I've actually had unclickable buttons on 12.2 with my 1366x768.) The easy fix is to just install the Qt interface by default. Doesn't look good in GNOME, but is perfectly usable and would be fine-ish. It's bnc722053. Well that is my little awareness drive. Merry Christmas. :) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org