[opensuse-factory] Is there a problem with mail delay today?
Hi, Is anyone experiencing a very long delay with opensuse-factory@opensuse.org I used to see my response appear in several seconds. Today I didn't even see my first questions appear in Thunderbird. -- Cheers! Roman -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2017-07-24 23:57, Roman Bysh wrote:
You are using gmail. With gmail you can *never* see your own post in the mail list, because gmail deletes it automatically. If you need feedback, use at the archive (https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory). Gmail has a feature that removes duplicate posts, looking at the message-id. The message that the list server sends to everybody has the same message-id than the one in your "sent" folder, it is considered duplicate and deleted. What you see is only your local "sent" copy. Similarly, if people reply to you with one post to the mail list and another direct to you, as the direct copy arrives faster (fewer hops), the copy from the mail list is considered a duplicate and also deleted. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iF4EAREIAAYFAll3jNwACgkQja8UbcUWM1wtUQD9FpdiavSjQE+QyU2jy77HunbI w2C0qGE1d8SVRwoAClMA+wRDOPInY656jmeh5a5nsJgA+KJkIgPad2kMvMqJWKJc =vO4s -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 2017-07-25 22:07, Roman Bysh wrote:
I see. For now, I'll add BCC so that I can see the original copy. Thanks Carlos.
That will not work. It is a duplicate, thus erased. You could use FCC, "file copy", on your local mail user agent. Or, you can use two accounts, one to send, another to receive. Or, adjust a filter at gmail that sorts the local sent copy into the opensuse label. Others do this, not me, so I don't know the exact trick. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
On Tuesday, 25 July 2017 22:07:59 CEST Roman Bysh wrote:
I see. For now, I'll add BCC so that I can see the original copy.
Alternatively, consider not using Gmail. You aren't only letting Google spy on your e-mails; you are also letting them spy and build a profile on everyone you talk to. Reference: https://www.alternet.org/google-using-gmail-build-psychological-profiles-hun... -- Carmen Bianca Bakker <carmen@carmenbianca.eu> PGP: 2A09 F627 39F6 DEC8 CFFC A216 CD0A 90F1 C5CA 0C92
On Wed, 2017-07-26 at 09:37 +0200, Carmen Bianca Bakker wrote:
Gasp, I better run right out and pick someone who hasn't yet been caught. Damn, where's NSA-mail when ya need it, they know all about internet security <==> (scrutiny), privacy <==> (piracy) etc. :) -Mike -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Hey, On 26.07.2017 09:37, Carmen Bianca Bakker wrote:
Alternatively, consider not using Gmail.
Shameless advertisement: A very decent alternative is provided by one of our openSUSE sponsors! -> https://mailbox.org/en/ For just 1€/month you get everything you need for mail. Check it out :-) Henne -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2017-07-26 11:17, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
Ah, thanks for the info :-) - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iF4EAREIAAYFAll4iEYACgkQja8UbcUWM1xHogD/TdJ5cR/+N7u/TTTGPMlww4tl C1Xq/uziAVomCtxr0fEA/32eR44XXjHlnt/vHLRh8go7NCrfBLNj1ApJmsLLwwMx =uUXr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Not to mention that Australia is a member of the Five-Eyes, so I'm not sure trusting us with your emails was a good idea. We don't even have strong freedom of speech provisions. -- Aleksa Sarai Software Engineer (Containers) SUSE Linux GmbH https://www.cyphar.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Wednesday, 26 July 2017 21:07:02 +08 Aleksa Sarai wrote:
I use Fastmail because of their commitment to user privacy, and them pointing out that Australia does not have an equivalent of the USA's National Security Letters. Also, I wasn't familiar with other email providers other than them at the time, because I was once a free account user of their service. They have a fairly admirable and straghtforward legalese-free privacy policy as well, which I hope sidesteps any concern for freedom of speech or expression if that has no relevance to customer privacy: https://www.fastmail.com/about/privacy.html Too bad about the Australian government though. But at this stage, I think trusting any government with privacy in communications is a foolhardy venture (speaking as a citizen of a government which loves to spy on its people). Still, would be nice to vote with my wallet and use a service based in a country that is more respectful of user privacy. Anyway I have my GPG keys set up for more private correspondences. The problem is convincing people to actually use GPG-based emails regularly!
On Wednesday, 26 July 2017 16:28:47 CEST Chan Ju Ping wrote:
Still, would be nice to vote with my wallet and use a service based in a country that is more respectful of user privacy.
I personally use KolabNow, a Swiss-based company. They're not cheap by a long shot, but their customer service is good and Swiss laws are generally quite favourable to individual privacy.
Anyway I have my GPG keys set up for more private correspondences. The problem is convincing people to actually use GPG-based emails regularly!
Tell me about it :-( I study software engineering and I'm the only user of GPG I know. -- Carmen Bianca Bakker <carmen@carmenbianca.eu> PGP: 2A09 F627 39F6 DEC8 CFFC A216 CD0A 90F1 C5CA 0C92
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2017-07-26 17:20, Carmen Bianca Bakker wrote:
On Wednesday, 26 July 2017 16:28:47 CEST Chan Ju Ping wrote:
I thought that was me, the only one :-P - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iF4EAREIAAYFAll43R4ACgkQja8UbcUWM1z3ywD/Yy4V3i+eIo+NZQzD8zLMQJdc FusV3JtPfZrEU5MP59gA/10CBLdjSG5gZOj9zn1r4sJe3tbpIBbGlDIoGI0bnr8n =XTqI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Am Mittwoch, 26. Juli 2017, 20:19:10 CEST schrieb Carlos E. R.:
Nearly...I use it as well :-) Some years ago - after the disclosure by Snwoden - I tried to convince lawyers and tax agents I work with to communicate encrypted. No chance, even if I offered my support to set this up. One told me 'Important things are send by SnailMail anyway', showing that the awareness and understanding about privacy is just not there. Sad, but true. Ax -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2017-07-26 20:44, Axel Braun wrote:
Yes. About a decade ago I had to send some papers by email to a lawyer, and he was unable to setup encryption (remote help failed). Not PGP, I think, but PKCS keys. Thunderbird supports one natively and the other via enigmail addon. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iF4EAREIAAYFAll45C8ACgkQja8UbcUWM1yThQD/bh/0P5lOSMmkyuFvcWs57K+k K00/CQxvD2evR/05bPYA/iXC8N2tl1U1fAAaLIeEmvc7HhpedrnoTS50MWzarV1e =I3FA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2017-07-26 20:52, James Knott wrote:
It /was/ somewhat safer, an interceptor needed access to the cable - unless they were government or judiciary with access to the phone exchange. But fax had some legal support. It was a recognized method of sending a signed paper, but not email with scanned file of the same paper. The other day I cancelled a phone contract. I prepared a signed PDF (Libre Office can do those now!), and they told me to just post a photo (jpg) of it in the official support forum. And it was accepted. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iF4EAREIAAYFAll46hwACgkQja8UbcUWM1yUYgD/VKgqKF1Wi1upi2RGh74BQTuC jFJWGGM066Ed3UAY1NsBAIYCtxH9IYBGEI0MsESWDd1vRw8bzihmH3HdRSfQSiVw =AHCb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/26/2017 03:14 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Access is often not difficult. There are many commercial buildings where the terminal blocks are outside. All it takes to intercept a FAX is a computer with sound card and appropriate software.
But fax had some legal support. It was a recognized method of sending a signed paper, but not email with scanned file of the same paper.
Yep, scanning and sending over an unprotected phone line makes it more secure. ;-)
I guess they've never heard of image manipulation software. One thing I did many years ago, when I first got a FAX modem, was I wrote my signature several times on a piece of paper and faxed it home. I then copied a signature from it and pasted it into my word processor (Describe at that time) to "sign" the document, which was then faxed somewhere. I recently had an argument with a friend about this. He does a lot of work in doctor's offices and said they need fax for sending confidential information. He's generally a fairly sharp guy, but couldn't accept, with my several years experience in the telecom industry, that I might know a thing or two about how insecure phone lines and faxes are. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2017-07-26 09:37, Carmen Bianca Bakker wrote:
Not an issue for mail lists ;-) - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iF4EAREIAAYFAll4iCcACgkQja8UbcUWM1yqJgD+IwJT2OTHB0+WclhqGOObGy6s 0jddD84ecErleKgCxZsA/31SQu4FON95s9XCOYJMy/OZGP4JRJ5PPCNNYZVParc1 =fblR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
* Roman Bysh <romanbysh@yahoo.com> [07-26-17 08:45]:
good luck with that. yahoo mail is less than terrible, restrictive, unreliable, ... at&t uses them and last night it broke, cert chk fails. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
* Roman Bysh <romanbysh@yahoo.com> [07-26-17 09:22]:
last nite around 18:16 local time yahoo who provides att mail, arbitrarily changed the imap address from imap.mail.att.net to imap.mail.yahoo.com w/o notice, and stupid att tech support book readers who have no knowledge of fetchmail or anything not web or in front of them in the book, don't know anything about it. they wanted to provide me with PAID support to solve THEIR problem which I declined. I for the fifth time requested elevated support and a visit to the supervisor ensued. thereafter I was notified that they did know they had a problem and were working to correct it and would possibly have a solution within 24 hours. I then advised them that they paid tooooo much to their techs, and provided the changed address and another unadvisable solution. Paid support my ass! -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/26/2017 03:10 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote: .
at&t uses them and last night it broke, cert chk fails.
Gosh. How on earth is this on topic for opensuse? STOP IT! Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2017-07-26 15:26, Mykola Krachkovsky wrote:
Doesn't matter the client you use, gmail does that, known fact for ages. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iF4EAREIAAYFAll4mdwACgkQja8UbcUWM1wdAwD+LgmswiIiGKQTSUJj+/Py912P 4FWgRowGRbPUpcXUcD4A/0isGPHokOklcjVfxjhHXF65lUFTo03a4T99YK3zdxaC =tv3j -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2017-07-24 23:57, Roman Bysh wrote:
You are using gmail. With gmail you can *never* see your own post in the mail list, because gmail deletes it automatically. If you need feedback, use at the archive (https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory). Gmail has a feature that removes duplicate posts, looking at the message-id. The message that the list server sends to everybody has the same message-id than the one in your "sent" folder, it is considered duplicate and deleted. What you see is only your local "sent" copy. Similarly, if people reply to you with one post to the mail list and another direct to you, as the direct copy arrives faster (fewer hops), the copy from the mail list is considered a duplicate and also deleted. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iF4EAREIAAYFAll3jNwACgkQja8UbcUWM1wtUQD9FpdiavSjQE+QyU2jy77HunbI w2C0qGE1d8SVRwoAClMA+wRDOPInY656jmeh5a5nsJgA+KJkIgPad2kMvMqJWKJc =vO4s -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 2017-07-25 22:07, Roman Bysh wrote:
I see. For now, I'll add BCC so that I can see the original copy. Thanks Carlos.
That will not work. It is a duplicate, thus erased. You could use FCC, "file copy", on your local mail user agent. Or, you can use two accounts, one to send, another to receive. Or, adjust a filter at gmail that sorts the local sent copy into the opensuse label. Others do this, not me, so I don't know the exact trick. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
On Tuesday, 25 July 2017 22:07:59 CEST Roman Bysh wrote:
I see. For now, I'll add BCC so that I can see the original copy.
Alternatively, consider not using Gmail. You aren't only letting Google spy on your e-mails; you are also letting them spy and build a profile on everyone you talk to. Reference: https://www.alternet.org/google-using-gmail-build-psychological-profiles-hun... -- Carmen Bianca Bakker <carmen@carmenbianca.eu> PGP: 2A09 F627 39F6 DEC8 CFFC A216 CD0A 90F1 C5CA 0C92
On Wed, 2017-07-26 at 09:37 +0200, Carmen Bianca Bakker wrote:
Gasp, I better run right out and pick someone who hasn't yet been caught. Damn, where's NSA-mail when ya need it, they know all about internet security <==> (scrutiny), privacy <==> (piracy) etc. :) -Mike -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Hey, On 26.07.2017 09:37, Carmen Bianca Bakker wrote:
Alternatively, consider not using Gmail.
Shameless advertisement: A very decent alternative is provided by one of our openSUSE sponsors! -> https://mailbox.org/en/ For just 1€/month you get everything you need for mail. Check it out :-) Henne -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
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Aleksa Sarai -
Axel Braun -
Carlos E. R. -
Carlos E. R. -
Carmen Bianca Bakker -
Chan Ju Ping -
Henne Vogelsang -
James Knott -
Mike Galbraith -
Mykola Krachkovsky -
Patrick Shanahan -
Roman Bysh -
Roman Bysh -
Stephan Kulow