[opensuse-factory] kde apper / updater
can we 'por el amor de dios' get rid of the updater on TW? I have read at least 2 threads on the forums this week alone where people have broken systems because of this. It is useless and misleading. a gui is not just a graphical environment, it is a 'cue based system of interaction'. the updater is *actively* misleading users. it can easily be disabled in 'system tray settings' which i assume is a single flag in a config. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Op dinsdag 14 november 2017 23:25:23 CET schreef nicholas cunliffe:
can we 'por el amor de dios' get rid of the updater on TW? I have read at least 2 threads on the forums this week alone where people have broken systems because of this. It is useless and misleading.
a gui is not just a graphical environment, it is a 'cue based system of interaction'. the updater is *actively* misleading users.
it can easily be disabled in 'system tray settings' which i assume is a single flag in a config.
I ( as a forums team member ) could very well live with that. Or, and that would be even better, make packagekit and the applet aware of Tumbleweed's existence and peticular needs. Have my doubts though, whether external ( KDE ) developent / packaging would be needed BTW: at least 2 feels like you missed dozens of posts. In the end all these users step in blindly without reading any of the well-documented iinstructions on how to deal with TW and it's upgrading ( which it is ) mechanisnms. -- Gertjan Lettink, a.k.a. Knurpht openSUSE Board Member openSUSE Forums Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Hi Knurpht! On 15/11/2017 00:49, Knurpht - Gertjan Lettink wrote:
Op dinsdag 14 november 2017 23:25:23 CET schreef nicholas cunliffe:
can we 'por el amor de dios' get rid of the updater on TW? I have read at least 2 threads on the forums this week alone where people have broken systems because of this. It is useless and misleading.
a gui is not just a graphical environment, it is a 'cue based system of interaction'. the updater is *actively* misleading users.
it can easily be disabled in 'system tray settings' which i assume is a single flag in a config. I ( as a forums team member ) could very well live with that. Or, and that would be even better, make packagekit and the applet aware of Tumbleweed's existence and peticular needs. Have my doubts though, whether external ( KDE ) developent / packaging would be needed
BTW: at least 2 feels like you missed dozens of posts. In the end all these users step in blindly without reading any of the well-documented iinstructions on how to deal with TW and it's upgrading ( which it is ) mechanisnms.
I like having the updater because it warns me about pending updates, which I then install using the CLI with the 'zypper dup' command. OTOH it would be nice if the updater could be made aware of TW. It would be enough (for me) if the updater would just show the list of updates *without* offering a way to install them. I understand this could be a little puzzling for newbies... maybe instead of the "install updates" button it could have an "info" button that show a dialog with a few lines describing how to proceed. Having a GUI updater which actually works with TW (i.e. showing *and* correctly installing updates) would be nice, but personally I prefer using the CLI for that. Just my 2 cents... Cris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Am 15.11.2017 um 09:17 schrieb Cristiano Guadagnino:
Hi Knurpht!
On 15/11/2017 00:49, Knurpht - Gertjan Lettink wrote:
can we 'por el amor de dios' get rid of the updater on TW? I have read at least 2 threads on the forums this week alone where people have broken systems because of this. It is useless and misleading.
a gui is not just a graphical environment, it is a 'cue based system of interaction'. the updater is *actively* misleading users.
it can easily be disabled in 'system tray settings' which i assume is a single flag in a config. I ( as a forums team member ) could very well live with that. Or, and
Op dinsdag 14 november 2017 23:25:23 CET schreef nicholas cunliffe: that would be even better, make packagekit and the applet aware of Tumbleweed's existence and peticular needs. Have my doubts though, whether external ( KDE ) developent / packaging would be needed
BTW: at least 2 feels like you missed dozens of posts. In the end all these users step in blindly without reading any of the well-documented iinstructions on how to deal with TW and it's upgrading ( which it is ) mechanisnms.
I like having the updater because it warns me about pending updates, which I then install using the CLI with the 'zypper dup' command.
OTOH it would be nice if the updater could be made aware of TW. It would be enough (for me) if the updater would just show the list of updates *without* offering a way to install them.
I understand this could be a little puzzling for newbies... maybe instead of the "install updates" button it could have an "info" button that show a dialog with a few lines describing how to proceed.
Having a GUI updater which actually works with TW (i.e. showing *and* correctly installing updates) would be nice, but personally I prefer using the CLI for that.
Just my 2 cents... Cris
more 2 cents the simplest/quickest solution may be to just disable default installation of the updater on TW but leave it in the repos for users that know how to deal with it. thomas -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
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Cristiano Guadagnino -
Knurpht - Gertjan Lettink -
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Thomas Langkamp