[opensuse-factory] NVIDIA driver package for Factory possible?
Hi. Is it possible to have the NVIDIA driver packaged for Factory? Now that it is a rolling version there seems to be a growing interest by users on it. But I read frequently that users won't install Factory because this driver isn't available (AFAIK). I myself am using Factory in a netbook with Intel graphics and I would like to use it in my desktop too but I don't want to be reinstalling the driver on every kernel update. If packaging the driver isn't an option, is there an automatized way to have the driver working after kernel upgrades? Greetings. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Hi, http://software.opensuse.org/package/x11-video-nvidia (from :latest project) works pretty fine for me. It's DKMS-enabled, so you won't reinstall it when new kernels will land. On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 3:35 PM, jcsl <trcs@gmx.com> wrote:
Hi.
Is it possible to have the NVIDIA driver packaged for Factory? Now that it is a rolling version there seems to be a growing interest by users on it. But I read frequently that users won't install Factory because this driver isn't available (AFAIK). I myself am using Factory in a netbook with Intel graphics and I would like to use it in my desktop too but I don't want to be reinstalling the driver on every kernel update.
If packaging the driver isn't an option, is there an automatized way to have the driver working after kernel upgrades?
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В Wed, 15 Oct 2014 17:29:50 +0300 Andrei Dziahel <develop7@develop7.info> пишет:
Hi,
I see only home:* there. It's fine for testing but not something I'd rely on ...
(from :latest project) works pretty fine for me. It's DKMS-enabled, so you won't reinstall it when new kernels will land.
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 3:35 PM, jcsl <trcs@gmx.com> wrote:
Hi.
Is it possible to have the NVIDIA driver packaged for Factory? Now that it is a rolling version there seems to be a growing interest by users on it. But I read frequently that users won't install Factory because this driver isn't available (AFAIK). I myself am using Factory in a netbook with Intel graphics and I would like to use it in my desktop too but I don't want to be reinstalling the driver on every kernel update.
If packaging the driver isn't an option, is there an automatized way to have the driver working after kernel upgrades?
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I've also tried https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?project=X11%3ABumblebee&package=nvidia-bumblebee first and it didn't work for me. On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 7:23 PM, Andrei Borzenkov <arvidjaar@gmail.com> wrote:
В Wed, 15 Oct 2014 17:29:50 +0300 Andrei Dziahel <develop7@develop7.info> пишет:
Hi,
I see only home:* there. It's fine for testing but not something I'd rely on ...
(from :latest project) works pretty fine for me. It's DKMS-enabled, so you won't reinstall it when new kernels will land.
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 3:35 PM, jcsl <trcs@gmx.com> wrote:
Hi.
Is it possible to have the NVIDIA driver packaged for Factory? Now that it is a rolling version there seems to be a growing interest by users on it. But I read frequently that users won't install Factory because this driver isn't available (AFAIK). I myself am using Factory in a netbook with Intel graphics and I would like to use it in my desktop too but I don't want to be reinstalling the driver on every kernel update.
If packaging the driver isn't an option, is there an automatized way to have the driver working after kernel upgrades?
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jcsl <trcs@gmx.com> Wed, 15 Oct 2014 15:35:50 +0300:
Hi.
Is it possible to have the NVIDIA driver packaged for Factory? Now that it is a rolling version there seems to be a growing interest by users on it. But I read frequently that users won't install Factory because this driver isn't available (AFAIK). I myself am using Factory in a netbook with Intel graphics and I would like to use it in my desktop too but I don't want to be reinstalling the driver on every kernel update.
If packaging the driver isn't an option, is there an automatized way to have the driver working after kernel upgrades?
Greetings.
Usually Nvidia & Amd don't support the freshest kernel and Xorg and so they don't support Factory and other rolling distributions. -- Best regards, Dmitriy DA(P).DarkneSS Perlow @ Linux x64 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 15 October 2014 22.13:39 Dmitriy Perlow wrote:
jcsl <trcs@gmx.com> Wed, 15 Oct 2014 15:35:50 +0300:
Hi.
Is it possible to have the NVIDIA driver packaged for Factory? Now that it is a rolling version there seems to be a growing interest by users on it. But I read frequently that users won't install Factory because this driver isn't available (AFAIK). I myself am using Factory in a netbook with Intel graphics and I would like to use it in my desktop too but I don't want to be reinstalling the driver on every kernel update.
If packaging the driver isn't an option, is there an automatized way to have the driver working after kernel upgrades?
Greetings.
Usually Nvidia & Amd don't support the freshest kernel and Xorg and so they don't support Factory and other rolling distributions.
Usually or not it really depend of the state kernel & xorg. For example latest fglrx support 3.17 kernel with a patch, but not newer xorg ( bug at amd not yet solved ) ;-) -- Bruno Friedmann Ioda-Net Sàrl www.ioda-net.ch openSUSE Member & Board, fsfe fellowship GPG KEY : D5C9B751C4653227 irc: tigerfoot -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Hi. El Miércoles, 15 de octubre de 2014 22:13:39 Dmitriy Perlow escribió:
jcsl <trcs@gmx.com> Wed, 15 Oct 2014 15:35:50 +0300:
Hi.
Is it possible to have the NVIDIA driver packaged for Factory? Now that it is a rolling version there seems to be a growing interest by users on it. But I read frequently that users won't install Factory because this driver isn't available (AFAIK). I myself am using Factory in a netbook with Intel graphics and I would like to use it in my desktop too but I don't want to be reinstalling the driver on every kernel update.
If packaging the driver isn't an option, is there an automatized way to have the driver working after kernel upgrades?
Greetings.
Usually Nvidia & Amd don't support the freshest kernel and Xorg and so they don't support Factory and other rolling distributions.
Not long ago, I used to install the NVIDIA driver the "hard way" and it worked not only with the latest kernels and XOrg but even with RC versions. I don't know if that isn't true anymore but I know for sure that now I'm not interested in installing the driver manually again. User repositories are great, but you never now for how long are they going to be up and updated. Could someone explain the reasons for not having proprietary drivers repositories for Factory? Is it a technical reason, lack of manpower or licensing issues? P.S.: This is really a reason for users to not install Factory even if they're willing to do so. At least that's what I guess from comments in forums and blogs. I may be wrong, sure, but I know of at least one case :D. Greetings. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Thursday 16 October 2014 17.52:10 jcsl wrote:
Hi.
El Miércoles, 15 de octubre de 2014 22:13:39 Dmitriy Perlow escribió:
jcsl <trcs@gmx.com> Wed, 15 Oct 2014 15:35:50 +0300:
Hi.
Is it possible to have the NVIDIA driver packaged for Factory? Now that it is a rolling version there seems to be a growing interest by users on it. But I read frequently that users won't install Factory because this driver isn't available (AFAIK). I myself am using Factory in a netbook with Intel graphics and I would like to use it in my desktop too but I don't want to be reinstalling the driver on every kernel update.
If packaging the driver isn't an option, is there an automatized way to have the driver working after kernel upgrades?
Greetings.
Usually Nvidia & Amd don't support the freshest kernel and Xorg and so they don't support Factory and other rolling distributions.
Not long ago, I used to install the NVIDIA driver the "hard way" and it worked not only with the latest kernels and XOrg but even with RC versions. I don't know if that isn't true anymore but I know for sure that now I'm not interested in installing the driver manually again. User repositories are great, but you never now for how long are they going to be up and updated.
Could someone explain the reasons for not having proprietary drivers repositories for Factory? Is it a technical reason, lack of manpower or licensing issues?
Licensing evil inside : it's not allowed to host nvidia blob and thus need a ping-pong between Stefan doing the packaging work on obs then build on a non public obs, plus send the builded rpm to nvidia for publishing. All of those step need manual intervention, which has you can guess is not really affordable for a day changing factory. The drivers are really really well maintained, and it always possible to branch the repo (with respecting the no publish no build flag, like the master has) and build them locally with osc build extract build resulted rpm and consume them for you.
P.S.: This is really a reason for users to not install Factory even if they're willing to do so. At least that's what I guess from comments in forums and blogs. I may be wrong, sure, but I know of at least one case :D.
Greetings.
Nope it's wrong way thinking. They should try factory with nouveau (it performs mostly equal and sometimes better) than the proprietary in 80% of use case. Now for the others, perhaps ( and I use high conditional ) we in community can find a way to propose a build and a hosting of the driver for end users. But is this really useful ? And for which cards, supporting the build for the legacy, g01 g02 g03 and more is just expensive build time & bandwidth if there's no usage behind -- Bruno Friedmann Ioda-Net Sàrl www.ioda-net.ch openSUSE Member & Board, fsfe fellowship GPG KEY : D5C9B751C4653227 irc: tigerfoot -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
В Thu, 16 Oct 2014 21:17:37 +0200 Bruno Friedmann <bruno@ioda-net.ch> пишет:
Nope it's wrong way thinking. They should try factory with nouveau (it performs mostly equal and sometimes better) than the proprietary in 80% of use case.
I tried nouveau several times and inevitably went back due to (lack of) power management. My notebook is not very silent even with nVidia drivers; with nouveau it becomes tabletop instead of laptop (too hot to keep on lap). -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Thursday 16 October 2014 23.26:38 Andrei Borzenkov wrote:
В Thu, 16 Oct 2014 21:17:37 +0200 Bruno Friedmann <bruno@ioda-net.ch> пишет:
Nope it's wrong way thinking. They should try factory with nouveau (it performs mostly equal and sometimes better) than the proprietary in 80% of use case.
I tried nouveau several times and inevitably went back due to (lack of) power management. My notebook is not very silent even with nVidia drivers; with nouveau it becomes tabletop instead of laptop (too hot to keep on lap).
I've exactly the inverse here with the Quadro K2000M + blob no way to get a stable suspend etc .. For the "hot" part the nouveau driver == nvidia one For power-management and support also on external screen you have to use kernel 3.16 or + For efficiency on battery I don't care too much :-) -- Bruno Friedmann Ioda-Net Sàrl www.ioda-net.ch openSUSE Member & Board, fsfe fellowship GPG KEY : D5C9B751C4653227 irc: tigerfoot -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 17.10.2014 08:34, Bruno Friedmann wrote:
On Thursday 16 October 2014 23.26:38 Andrei Borzenkov wrote:
В Thu, 16 Oct 2014 21:17:37 +0200 Bruno Friedmann <bruno@ioda-net.ch> пишет:
Nope it's wrong way thinking. They should try factory with nouveau (it performs mostly equal and sometimes better) than the proprietary in 80% of use case.
I tried nouveau several times and inevitably went back due to (lack of) power management. My notebook is not very silent even with nVidia drivers; with nouveau it becomes tabletop instead of laptop (too hot to keep on lap).
I've exactly the inverse here with the Quadro K2000M + blob no way to get a stable suspend etc .. For the "hot" part the nouveau driver == nvidia one
For power-management and support also on external screen you have to use kernel 3.16 or +
For efficiency on battery I don't care too much :-)
For me the "blob" = NVIDIA driver never worked at all on my notebook, nouveau does like a charm. Plus nouveau keeps improving a lot. If you really care about temps, there is now experimental reclocking support which you can use to lower power consumption. For "optimus" setups nouveau just suspends the second card till it is needed, as it is meant to be (played). So to say, try a newer kernel + new userspace and you will have less problems. And if you really still have problems, try talking to the nouveau guys or create a bugentrys at freedesktop.org :) Greetings Tobias -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 10/17/2014 10:30 AM, Tobias Klausmann wrote:
On 17.10.2014 08:34, Bruno Friedmann wrote:
On Thursday 16 October 2014 23.26:38 Andrei Borzenkov wrote:
В Thu, 16 Oct 2014 21:17:37 +0200 Bruno Friedmann <bruno@ioda-net.ch> пишет:
Nope it's wrong way thinking. They should try factory with nouveau (it performs mostly equal and sometimes better) than the proprietary in 80% of use case.
I tried nouveau several times and inevitably went back due to (lack of) power management. My notebook is not very silent even with nVidia drivers; with nouveau it becomes tabletop instead of laptop (too hot to keep on lap).
I've exactly the inverse here with the Quadro K2000M + blob no way to get a stable suspend etc .. For the "hot" part the nouveau driver == nvidia one
For power-management and support also on external screen you have to use kernel 3.16 or +
For efficiency on battery I don't care too much :-)
For me the "blob" = NVIDIA driver never worked at all on my notebook, nouveau does like a charm. Plus nouveau keeps improving a lot. If you really care about temps, there is now experimental reclocking support which you can use to lower power consumption. For "optimus" setups nouveau just suspends the second card till it is needed, as it is meant to be (played). So to say, try a newer kernel + new userspace and you will have less problems. And if you really still have problems, try talking to the nouveau guys or create a bugentrys at freedesktop.org :)
Greetings Tobias
I believe that this is the best version of nouveau. It is getting better and better. Nvidia is contributing to nouveau. Is it not. Cheers! Roman -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Hi. El Jueves, 16 de octubre de 2014 21:17:37 Bruno Friedmann escribió:
Nope it's wrong way thinking. They should try factory with nouveau (it performs mostly equal and sometimes better) than the proprietary in 80% of use case.
For old cards that can be the case. Indeed I used to use nouveau with an old 7600Gt. 2D was beautiful, but 3D was years behind the propietary driver and it was always a few degrees hotter than using the propietary driver even being in idle state. It can be a wrong way of thinking, but it is real life. It might be that these people simply aren't the target audience for Factory (same as lazy people like me XD).
Now for the others, perhaps ( and I use high conditional ) we in community can find a way to propose a build and a hosting of the driver for end users. But is this really useful ? And for which cards, supporting the build for the legacy, g01 g02 g03 and more is just expensive build time & bandwidth if there's no usage behind
It would be nice, but I understand that it is extra work and people has their own lives. If a target have to be choosen, perhaps it would be that for the most recent cards. They're the most problematic ones. I don't know if it would be useful, but I'm sure that it would attract more people to Factory. Greetings. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 15/10/14 14:35, jcsl wrote:
Is it possible to have the NVIDIA driver packaged for Factory? Now that it is a rolling version there seems to be a growing interest by users on it. But I read frequently that users won't install Factory because this driver isn't available (AFAIK). I myself am using Factory in a netbook with Intel graphics and I would like to use it in my desktop too but I don't want to be reinstalling the driver on every kernel update.
If packaging the driver isn't an option, is there an automatized way to have the driver working after kernel upgrades?
I found that after a kernel upgrade I got a working driver rpm again with this script: #osc co X11:Drivers:Video/nvidia-gfxG03 # only needed once cd X11:Drivers:Video/nvidia-gfxG03 ls NVIDIA-Linux-*.run || osc service dr osc build openSUSE_Factory not quite as comfortable as a ready-to-use repo (which might violate copyrights of Nvidia or Linux) but better than nothing Ciao Bernhard M. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
on 30-12-14 at 09:09 Bernhard M. Wiedemann wrote:
On 15/10/14 14:35, jcsl wrote:
Is it possible to have the NVIDIA driver packaged for Factory? Now that it is a rolling version there seems to be a growing interest by users on it. But I read frequently that users won't install Factory because this driver isn't available (AFAIK). I myself am using Factory in a netbook with Intel graphics and I would like to use it in my desktop too but I don't want to be reinstalling the driver on every kernel update.
If packaging the driver isn't an option, is there an automatized way to have the driver working after kernel upgrades?
I found that after a kernel upgrade I got a working driver rpm again with this script:
#osc co X11:Drivers:Video/nvidia-gfxG03 # only needed once cd X11:Drivers:Video/nvidia-gfxG03 ls NVIDIA-Linux- .run || osc service dr osc build openSUSE_Factory
not quite as comfortable as a ready-to-use repo (which might violate copyrights of Nvidia or Linux) but better than nothing
Ciao Bernhard M.
I use this .repo file for Tumbleweed/Factory, works great for me to install - close all background programs like dropbox, shutter... - add .repo file to zypper (/etc/zypp/repo.d) - open root terminal - run "service packagekit stop" (could block installation) - now run "zypper refresh (with optional "--gpg-auto-import-keys") - than run "zypper -q dup (-q for suppressing LOST of text) - reboot system - optional you can install "nvdock" thanks -- _____________________________________________________________________________________ Thank you for reading this message, I will send a reply As soon as possible... Thank you _____________________________________________________________________________________ My Twitter Page (follow me please) http://twitter.com/OpenSimFan My Facebook page (Become my friend please...:) ) http://www.facebook.com/andre.verwijs My Google+ page (Follow me please...:) ) https://plus.google.com/111310545842863442992 ..
On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 3:08 PM, André Verwijs <dutchgigalo@gmail.com> wrote:
on 30-12-14 at 09:09 Bernhard M. Wiedemann wrote:
On 15/10/14 14:35, jcsl wrote:
Is it possible to have the NVIDIA driver packaged for Factory? Now that it is a rolling version there seems to be a growing interest by users on it. But I read frequently that users won't install Factory because this driver isn't available (AFAIK). I myself am using Factory in a netbook with Intel graphics and I would like to use it in my desktop too but I don't want to be reinstalling the driver on every kernel update.
If packaging the driver isn't an option, is there an automatized way to have the driver working after kernel upgrades?
I found that after a kernel upgrade I got a working driver rpm again with this script:
#osc co X11:Drivers:Video/nvidia-gfxG03 # only needed once cd X11:Drivers:Video/nvidia-gfxG03 ls NVIDIA-Linux- .run || osc service dr osc build openSUSE_Factory
not quite as comfortable as a ready-to-use repo (which might violate copyrights of Nvidia or Linux) but better than nothing
Ciao Bernhard M.
I use this .repo file for Tumbleweed/Factory, works great for me
For kernel 3.18?
to install - close all background programs like dropbox, shutter... - add .repo file to zypper (/etc/zypp/repo.d) - open root terminal - run "service packagekit stop" (could block installation) - now run "zypper refresh (with optional "--gpg-auto-import-keys") - than run "zypper -q dup (-q for suppressing LOST of text) - reboot system - optional you can install "nvdock"
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В Tue, 30 Dec 2014 09:09:43 +0100 "Bernhard M. Wiedemann" <bernhardout@lsmod.de> пишет:
On 15/10/14 14:35, jcsl wrote:
Is it possible to have the NVIDIA driver packaged for Factory? Now that it is a rolling version there seems to be a growing interest by users on it. But I read frequently that users won't install Factory because this driver isn't available (AFAIK). I myself am using Factory in a netbook with Intel graphics and I would like to use it in my desktop too but I don't want to be reinstalling the driver on every kernel update.
If packaging the driver isn't an option, is there an automatized way to have the driver working after kernel upgrades?
DKMS?
I found that after a kernel upgrade I got a working driver rpm again with this script:
#osc co X11:Drivers:Video/nvidia-gfxG03 # only needed once cd X11:Drivers:Video/nvidia-gfxG03 ls NVIDIA-Linux-*.run || osc service dr osc build openSUSE_Factory
That's only kernel driver. Where are SRPMs for X11 driver (x11-video-nvidiaG03-xxx-xxx.nosrc.rpm)? I asked a while ago but no reply ... At the end you will need both to make sure you can rebuild driver after update.
not quite as comfortable as a ready-to-use repo (which might violate copyrights of Nvidia or Linux) but better than nothing
Ciao Bernhard M.
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