[opensuse-factory] You working style
10.1 I tried to use YOU to install ordinary software. this works without problem. we have now the same menus in YOU than in software install (yast). _but_ * when installing, Yast/you always speaks about "patches" beeing installed in any message/help window, even when no patche are installed but software * it starts with the patches windows. I'm still unable to know if there are new updates only looking at the window. so I must clic on "accept" to know. but after installing all the patches, it closes when the software update module asks to know is one wans to install more, wich is often the case, so one must restart the module and wait again. * if one install a software by YOU, before having installed patches, the patches are not installed in the same session. Usually one can select software by any mean, at the end all the selection is installed. Here it seems that the patches selection and the software selection are separated. all this is minor and probably already known, the reason why I ask here. is this worths filling a bug report? thanks jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory-help@opensuse.org
* jdd <jdd@dodin.org> [Jun 16. 2006 09:21]:
10.1
I tried to use YOU to install ordinary software. this works without problem. we have now the same menus in YOU than in software install (yast).
_but_
* when installing, Yast/you always speaks about "patches" beeing installed in any message/help window, even when no patche are installed but software
In fact, its patches that are installed. The packages (software) are dragged in by patch dependencies. The basic concept here is to make the bugfix visible (since thats the real interesting part) and have packages as an additional detail.
* it starts with the patches windows. I'm still unable to know if there are new updates only looking at the window. so I must clic on "accept" to know. but after installing all the patches, it closes when the software update module asks to know is one wans to install more, wich is often the case, so one must restart the module and wait again.
The default view is currently 'all patches', it should be changed to 'new patches'.
* if one install a software by YOU, before having installed patches, the patches are not installed in the same session. Usually one can select software by any mean, at the end all the selection is installed. Here it seems that the patches selection and the software selection are separated.
This is intended behaviour. With Code10, patches just express dependencies. Thats different from previous releases where patches were package containers. The new behaviour calculates the 'patch level' from the rpm database. If all packages have the right version, the 'patch level' is reached. Independant of the installation of actual patches. Whats currently missing in YaST is the ability to view the patch level. This fulfills one of the core requests we heard from customers, being able to use others packaging tools besides you/yast. Klaus --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory-help@opensuse.org
Klaus Kaempf wrote:
* jdd <jdd@dodin.org> [Jun 16. 2006 09:21]:
10.1
I tried to use YOU to install ordinary software. this works without problem. we have now the same menus in YOU than in software install (yast).
_but_
* when installing, Yast/you always speaks about "patches" beeing installed in any message/help window, even when no patche are installed but software
In fact, its patches that are installed. The packages (software) are dragged in by patch dependencies.
so even if the window is identical to the yast software install window, the underlaying is different? in my example I serached for "sitecopy", found it and install it wothout problem. this (and the rest of your answer) is very interesting. the new layout seems very clever :-) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory-help@opensuse.org
* jdd <jdd@dodin.org> [Jun 16. 2006 10:05]:
so even if the window is identical to the yast software install window, the underlaying is different? in my example I serached for "sitecopy", found it and install it wothout problem.
Its exactly the same behaviour wheter you install packages or patches. Patches are just a different kind of 'resolvables' (objects with dependencies). I am working on moving our documentation to the opensuse wiki. If only the daily work would let me ...
this (and the rest of your answer) is very interesting. the new layout seems very clever :-)
We believe to have adressed almost all issues of the old patch implementation. But getting it right and integration into the overall system did take 'a bit' longer than expected :-( Klaus --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory-help@opensuse.org
Hello, Am Freitag, 16. Juni 2006 10:24 schrieb Klaus Kaempf: [...]
I am working on moving our documentation to the opensuse wiki. If only the daily work would let me ...
Maybe you should have written it in the wiki from the beginning ;-) Having a "work in progress" documentation (maybe with a warning about its status) is better than having (nearly) no documentation IMHO. And, extra benefit, you don't have to move it to the wiki afterwards *g* Don't get me wrong - I don't want to flame you, I just try to point out how things could be made better ;-) Regards, Christian Boltz PS: Maybe the SDB migration script could be helpful for you - but I guess that idea is not new for you... -- Nur das W3C-Logo müsste auf dieser Seite eigentlich ausgeblendet werden und durch "Ich bin eine HTML-Drecksau" ersetzt werden. :-) [Ratti über das Gästebuch auf gesindel.de] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory-help@opensuse.org
* Christian Boltz <opensuse@cboltz.de> [Jun 16. 2006 22:03]:
Hello,
Am Freitag, 16. Juni 2006 10:24 schrieb Klaus Kaempf: [...]
I am working on moving our documentation to the opensuse wiki. If only the daily work would let me ...
Maybe you should have written it in the wiki from the beginning ;-)
If the wiki would've existing in the beginning ... When we started with zypp, there was no OpenSUSE. So we used Subversion as the source repository and Trac (http://projects.edgewall.com/trac) on top of it. One of the nicest things of Trac is the ability to browse the Subversion repository and directly link to files and changesets. Klaus --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory-help@opensuse.org
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