On 01/07/14 20:39, Richard Brown wrote:

On Tue, 2014-07-01 at 20:06 +1000, Basil Chupin wrote:

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Last night I downlaoded Factory Snapshot 201406626, burnt it to a DVD and a short time ago tried to follow, word for word, what is stated in-

http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Factory_installation You downloaded a factory snapshot..therefore the only part of that URL you need to follow is the 'Front Scratch' section..it's one line

quote: "Download an image, burn it on a DVD or write it to a USB stick and launch the installation from there after a reboot."

All the other stuff you followed, is in the 'UPGRADE' section of the wiki page, as you can see by the fact it's under the Upgrade sub header..

So, it looks to me that you installed Factory, and then tried to upgrade Factory to Factory

Which is so wrong, I'm not sure if the misbehaviour you report with "zypper ar .." is actually a legitimate problem with zypper in Factory, or just a result of totally unexpected side effects of attempting to upgrade something to itself ;-)

Maybe you can just reinstall from the media?

Thank you for you reply. As I stated, I followed the blurb word for word, namely: quote Introduction Just like other distributions openSUSE Factory can be installed either by downloading and launching an installation image to start from scratch or by upgrading from a stable release. From Scratch Download an image, burn it on a DVD or write it to a USB stick and launch the installation from there after a reboot. Upgrade There are two tasks needed in order to upgrade from any release to factory: Changing repositories to point to Factory Running zypper dup to upgrade all packages Repositories Start by removing the existing repos: mkdir /etc/zypp/repos.d/old mv /etc/zypp/repos.d/*.repo /etc/zypp/repos.d/old Then add the new repos zypper ar -f -c http://download.opensuse.org/factory/repo/oss repo-oss zypper ar -f -c http://download.opensuse.org/factory/repo/non-oss repo-non-oss zypper ar -f -c http://download.opensuse.org/factory/repo/debug repo-debug unquote Where in my OP did I say I tried to upgrade factory to factory? How could I possibly do such an upgrade if the bloody repos have not been created?! - as I stated, the list of repos is a BLANK, no, zilch, zero, nil repos shown. And now that I think about it after having tried to start YaST from the Desktop Settings in "Gecko", YaST goes "poof" when one left-clicks on it to start it. BC Specifically this bit quote: Then add the new repos zypper ar -f -c http://download.opensuse.org/factory/repo/oss repo-oss zypper ar -f -c http://download.opensuse.org/factory/repo/non-oss repo-non-oss zypper ar -f -c http://download.opensuse.org/factory/repo/debug repo-debug Oh, yea, pigs will fly, senor! :-( No such repos were added - but invoking each of the above commands produced the "help" screen for zypper. Then I decided to use YaST to install the above repos - and guess what? The piggies did not even begin to show signs of growing wings! :-( The YaST repository screen was empty and remained empty. So, is the blurb in http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Factory_installation rubbish or is there something missing in the Factory Snapshot I downloaded last night? Does anyone have an answer re this, please? BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.13.2 & kernel 3.15.2-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU

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On 01/07/14 21:52, Richard Brown wrote:

On 1 July 2014 13:46, Basil Chupin wrote:

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Thank you for you reply.

As I stated, I followed the blurb word for word, namely: You followed to many words, as I'll explain in line below

Yep, sure did :-) . I re-installed earlier today and without any problems. But tell me: on booting the screen shows "openSUSE 12.3" and the login menu is from oS 12.3. Is this correct or something which I didn't do? [pruned] BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.13.2 & kernel 3.15.2-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 02/07/14 18:57, Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2014-07-02 08:38, Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 01/07/14 21:52, Richard Brown wrote: I re-installed earlier today and without any problems. Good. :-)

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But tell me: on booting the screen shows "openSUSE 12.3" and the login menu is from oS 12.3. Is this correct or something which I didn't do? No, not correct. You should be getting 13.2, or 13.1 if they didn't change it. You are probably reusing some older grub setup.

This is a clean install on a laptop which has nothing else on it. And it has never had 12.3 installed on it because it came with Windows 8 pre-installed (which I removed) and installed 13.1 on it (which now has been 'zapped' and replaced by aforementioned Factory Snapshot). BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.13.2 & kernel 3.15.2-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 2014-07-01 13:46, Basil Chupin wrote:

On 01/07/14 20:39, Richard Brown wrote:

Thank you for you reply.

As I stated, I followed the blurb word for word, namely:

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Introduction

Just like other distributions openSUSE Factory can be installed either by downloading and launching an installation image to start from scratch or by upgrading from a stable release. From Scratch

Download an image, burn it on a DVD or write it to a USB stick and launch the installation from there after a reboot.

Upgrade

There are two tasks needed in order to upgrade from any release to factory:

But you are NOT upgrading. You are *installing*. You are installing "from scratch". From that word "Upgrade" onwards, stop reading, till the next paragraph with the same font face as "Upgrade", which is "Boring?". :-)

Where in my OP did I say I tried to upgrade factory to factory?

Because you are trying to follow the instructions from the "upgrade" paragraph, which does not apply to you. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)

On 01/07/14 21:49, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2014-07-01 12:39, Richard Brown wrote:

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On Tue, 2014-07-01 at 20:06 +1000, Basil Chupin wrote:

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So, it looks to me that you installed Factory, and then tried to upgrade Factory to Factory

Which is so wrong, I'm not sure if the misbehaviour you report with "zypper ar .." is actually a legitimate problem with zypper in Factory, or just a result of totally unexpected side effects of attempting to upgrade something to itself ;-) Even so, doing:

zypper ar -f -c http://download.opensuse.org/factory/repo/oss repo-oss

would simply try to add a repository that should already be listed, and zypper should say that, that the repo was already added. If the command generates the zypper help page, it means that zypper says the entered syntax is wrong.

Then what is on that (?)wiki page is wrong because I followed what's there character for character :-) . [pruned] BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.13.2 & kernel 3.15.2-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 01/07/14 21:52, Stephan Kulow wrote:

On 01.07.2014 12:06, Basil Chupin wrote:

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Last night I downlaoded Factory Snapshot 201406626, burnt it to a DVD and a short time ago tried to follow, word for word, what is stated in-

http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Factory_installation

Specifically this bit

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Then add the new repos

zypper ar -f -c http://download.opensuse.org/factory/repo/oss repo-oss zypper ar -f -c http://download.opensuse.org/factory/repo/non-oss repo-non-oss zypper ar -f -c http://download.opensuse.org/factory/repo/debug repo-debug

Oh, yea, pigs will fly, senor! :-(

No such repos were added - but invoking each of the above commands produced the "help" screen for zypper.

Then I decided to use YaST to install the above repos - and guess what? The piggies did not even begin to show signs of growing wings! :-( The YaST repository screen was empty and remained empty.

The repository screen is using a XML list that does not yet exist for Factory, but only for 13.1 - we will need to fix this. Please file a bug.

Surely I am not the only bunny who has taken his life into his own hands and installed a Factory Snapshot? :-) I simply cannot claim to be the first one to shout, "EUREKA! I found this bug in Factory Snapshot!"? :-) In any case, from what you wrote above you already know about this so I guess that there is already a bug report about it in the works? BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.13.2 & kernel 3.15.2-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 02/07/14 18:57, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2014-07-02 09:40, Basil Chupin wrote:

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In any case, from what you wrote above you already know about this so I guess that there is already a bug report about it in the works? Typically, no.

The solution will probably done at some time, sooner or later, but unless they get a written report that justifies working on it, it will be later.

Ah, I didn't know that Stephan was exempt from making bug reports. Mea culpa. I now know better. BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.13.2 & kernel 3.15.2-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 02/07/14 20:29, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2014-07-02 11:04, Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 02/07/14 18:57, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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The solution will probably done at some time, sooner or later, but unless they get a written report that justifies working on it, it will be later. Ah, I didn't know that Stephan was exempt from making bug reports. What do you prefer, that he spends time writing a report, or that YOU write it, so that he can concentrate on his job, which you (nor me, nor many people) can not do? :-)

Well, when I was in the "business", I would pick up the telephone sitting on my desk, press 4 keys to call up the chief programmer and tell him in a sentence of the problem. Problem reported - and fixed. BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.13.2 & kernel 3.15.2-2 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 2014-07-01 17:03, Felix Miata wrote:

IOW, the ar and rr commands are zypper commands I find no use for.

I do :-) -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)

On 02/07/14 12:43, Neil Rickert wrote:

On Tue, 01 Jul 2014 20:06:41 +1000 Basil Chupin wrote:

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Then add the new repos

zypper ar -f -c http://download.opensuse.org/factory/repo/oss repo-oss zypper ar -f -c http://download.opensuse.org/factory/repo/non-oss repo-non-oss zypper ar -f -c http://download.opensuse.org/factory/repo/debug repo-debug There seems to be a lot of misinformation in this discussion.

Basil is basically correct. You do need to add those repos and delete the old ones.

I installed that snapshot yesterday. As installed, the configured repos are those of 13.2M0, which are out-of-date by now. So you need to switch them to the factory repos.

I uses Yast Software Repositories to do that.

Hold on..... you did say that you used YaST to do this? I tried to install the packman and the libdvdcss repos using YaST and nothing happened - YaST just blinked and showed me the 2-fingered salute :-) .

It's a bit slower than with the zypper command line. But I did not run into any problems doing it that way. I didn't delete the old ones, I just disabled them.

BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.13.2 & kernel 3.15.2-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 02/07/14 23:52, Neil Rickert wrote:

On Wed, 02 Jul 2014 16:41:35 +1000 Basil Chupin wrote:

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Hold on..... you did say that you used YaST to do this?

I tried to install the packman and the libdvdcss repos using YaST and nothing happened - YaST just blinked and showed me the 2-fingered salute :-) .

Yast works fine for this.

But here's the guide:

AH! I just KNEW that there was a "BUT" in there somewhere (always is)! :-D

Step 1: yast --ncurses and remove the package "libproxy1-config-kde4"

Thereafter, the GUI version should work.

Step2: Yast --> Software Management Search for "libproxy1-config-kde4", and blacklist it. Otherwise it will be reinstalled.

Once those steps are done, you should be able to use Yast normally.

If you have Gnome installed, then "yast2 --gtk" should also work normally.

Thank you Neil! I haven't tried the above yet but will do so after I have had my dinner. BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.13.2 & kernel 3.15.2-2 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 02/07/14 19:00, Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2014-07-02 04:43, Neil Rickert wrote:

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On Tue, 01 Jul 2014 20:06:41 +1000 Basil Chupin <> wrote:

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There seems to be a lot of misinformation in this discussion.

Basil is basically correct. You do need to add those repos and delete the old ones.

I installed that snapshot yesterday. As installed, the configured repos are those of 13.2M0, which are out-of-date by now. So you need to switch them to the factory repos. Ah, but then it is because this particular snapshot has the wrong repos pre-configured. It is not the generic installation procedure. :-)

Aaaw, come on Carlos :-( . People have been encouraged to switch to Factory. One goes to the wiki page I already mentioned and there is the URL which takes you to the directory which gives you the Snapshot to download - which is what I did. And you now come out with "this particular snapshot has the wrong repos pre-configured." and then "It is not the generic installation procedure." A lot of goobly-dook. What the heck is "the generic installation procedure"? And, who is responsible for writing the wiki page which gives you the wrong Snapshot-with-the-wrong-repos to download? BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.13.2 & kernel 3.15.2-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 02/07/14 20:24, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2014-07-02 11:13, Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 02/07/14 19:00, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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Aaaw, come on Carlos :-( .

People have been encouraged to switch to Factory. One goes to the wiki page I already mentioned and there is the URL which takes you to the directory which gives you the Snapshot to download - which is what I did.

And you now come out with "this particular snapshot has the wrong repos pre-configured." and then "It is not the generic installation procedure."

A lot of goobly-dook.

What the heck is "the generic installation procedure"? Put DVD on drive, boot, follow your nose. Literally :-)

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And, who is responsible for writing the wiki page which gives you the wrong Snapshot-with-the-wrong-repos to download? The page is absolutely correct. It told you to just download and boot the dvd, nothing more.

The rest of the instructions are for upgrade, not install. It just happens that the procedure to correct the wrong repo entries are similar.

What is this, "It just happens that the procedure to correct the wrong repo entries are similar."? I install as per the instructions (as I did during the re-install) and see that the repos are for 13.1 - with no "factory" name in sight! :-) So I try to YaST to amend the repos and all I get is the "bird" from YaST.

And please remember: IT IS FACTORY.

Yes I KNOW that it is FACTORY. But we are assured that FACTORY now contains almost perfect files which have been tested before being placed into FACTORY - and all this is with the intention of providing a "rolling" version of openSUSE. Now come on :-) . Who is misunderstanding things? (Naturally moi, of course :-( .)

Meaning, that things are expected to break, you are expected to solve the issues that you find, yourself, on your own, and when stuck, ask here, in case somebody else has found the solution before than you, or knows that it is a bug, or something. And you are expected to contribute and report bugs in Bugzilla, and follow up on them.

I understand all of that. But how can one test anything and report on anything when the bloody thing does not work as expected to begin with?! The boot menu shows openSUSE 12.3. The repos shown in YaST are for 13.1 and not for "factory". If one wants to change the repos - according to what the wiki page states or as Neil tried - neither zypper nor YaST will let you. And I am asked to write a bug report..... based on WHAT? There is no "level playing field" here to even consider thinking about a bug report.

It is also expected to have new features and behaviours, which will surprise people,

Oooow, I like surprises - as long as they frighten the crap out of me and make me soil my panties :-) .

which will some times not know what to do.

Oh, I know what to do when I am 'surprised' :-) BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.13.2 & kernel 3.15.2-2 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org