[opensuse-factory] 11.0 RC1 - odd choice of kernel
I've just installed 11.0 RC1 on an old Pentium II with 384Mb RAM. The installer chose to install an SMP+PAE kernel, which I find pretty unusual? Any thoughts on why? /Per Jessen, Zürich --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
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I've just installed 11.0 RC1 on an old Pentium II with 384Mb RAM. The installer chose to install an SMP+PAE kernel, which I find pretty unusual? Any thoughts on why?
/Per Jessen, Zürich
That is the kernel being installed by default now but you can still change it at install time. -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
* Per Jessen <per@computer.org> [2008-05-31 14:22]:
I've just installed 11.0 RC1 on an old Pentium II with 384Mb RAM. The installer chose to install an SMP+PAE kernel, which I find pretty unusual? Any thoughts on why?
Because your processor *has* PAE. PAE is not only more than 4 GiB physical address space but also the "no execute" bit. The "default" kernel is also SMP (since openSUSE 10.2, IIRC) because there's no "smp" kernel. I bet that you didn't notice any difference between "default" and "pae". Bernhard -- Bernhard Walle, SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Architecture Maintenance
Bernhard Walle wrote:
* Per Jessen <per@computer.org> [2008-05-31 14:22]:
I've just installed 11.0 RC1 on an old Pentium II with 384Mb RAM. The installer chose to install an SMP+PAE kernel, which I find pretty unusual? Any thoughts on why?
Because your processor *has* PAE. PAE is not only more than 4 GiB physical address space but also the "no execute" bit. The "default" kernel is also SMP (since openSUSE 10.2, IIRC) because there's no "smp" kernel. I bet that you didn't notice any difference between "default" and "pae".
Bernhard
I noticed that if I update beta3 to RC1 with zypper dup it updates the installed kernel-default to the latest one. If I boot from RC1 DVD and update, the pae kernel gets installed though there is kernel-default installed in the system. Is it meant that way? -- Vahis --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
* Vahis <waxborg@gmail.com> [2008-05-31 17:27]:
Is it meant that way?
*I* (speaking for myself, not for the company) don't think so. Can you open a Bugzilla entry at https://bugzilla.novell.com? Bernhard -- Bernhard Walle, SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Architecture Maintenance --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Bernhard Walle wrote:
* Vahis <waxborg@gmail.com> [2008-05-31 17:27]:
Is it meant that way?
*I* (speaking for myself, not for the company) don't think so. Can you open a Bugzilla entry at https://bugzilla.novell.com?
Bernhard
I think I will. I just need to examine it a little bit more because it seemed to do other things as well: It also added the Xen kernel and changed the default boot to floppy. Which didn't work of course and I got "can't find disk press any key" -stuff. Once I got it booted I see no trouble other than having different kernel _and_ another one in my boot menu. -- Vahis --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Bernhard Walle wrote:
* Vahis <waxborg@gmail.com> [2008-05-31 17:27]:
Is it meant that way?
*I* (speaking for myself, not for the company) don't think so. Can you open a Bugzilla entry at https://bugzilla.novell.com?
Bernhard
Bug 396155 Submitted -- Vahis --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Dňa Saturday 31 May 2008 16:27:46 Vahis ste napísal:
Bernhard Walle wrote:
* Per Jessen <per@computer.org> [2008-05-31 14:22]:
I've just installed 11.0 RC1 on an old Pentium II with 384Mb RAM. The installer chose to install an SMP+PAE kernel, which I find pretty unusual? Any thoughts on why?
Because your processor *has* PAE. PAE is not only more than 4 GiB physical address space but also the "no execute" bit. The "default" kernel is also SMP (since openSUSE 10.2, IIRC) because there's no "smp" kernel. I bet that you didn't notice any difference between "default" and "pae".
Bernhard
I noticed that if I update beta3 to RC1 with zypper dup it updates the installed kernel-default to the latest one. If I boot from RC1 DVD and update, the pae kernel gets installed though there is kernel-default installed in the system.
If you boot DVD, YaST will select the best suited kernel for your system using a bit more complicated logic (based on available memory, NX support, etc). Using zypper, satsolver simply keeps the packages but upgrades to the newer versions (basically). Stano --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Stanislav Visnovsky wrote:
Dňa Saturday 31 May 2008 16:27:46 Vahis ste napísal:
Bernhard Walle wrote:
* Per Jessen <per@computer.org> [2008-05-31 14:22]:
I've just installed 11.0 RC1 on an old Pentium II with 384Mb RAM. The installer chose to install an SMP+PAE kernel, which I find pretty unusual? Any thoughts on why?
Because your processor *has* PAE. PAE is not only more than 4 GiB physical address space but also the "no execute" bit. The "default" kernel is also SMP (since openSUSE 10.2, IIRC) because there's no "smp" kernel. I bet that you didn't notice any difference between "default" and "pae".
Bernhard
I noticed that if I update beta3 to RC1 with zypper dup it updates the installed kernel-default to the latest one. If I boot from RC1 DVD and update, the pae kernel gets installed though there is kernel-default installed in the system.
If you boot DVD, YaST will select the best suited kernel for your system using a bit more complicated logic (based on available memory, NX support, etc). Using zypper, satsolver simply keeps the packages but upgrades to the newer versions (basically).
Stano --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
This is quite OK. Maybe even splendid. There's another thing, it's (on vmware guest) the boot menu gets screwed up. I wonder if anyone has experienced this with real hardware. I have reproduced it as 11.0 beta3 => 11.0 RC1 And 10.3 => 11.0 RC1. I filed it: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=396155 Logs are requested there. I wonder which log(s) would be needed. -- Vahis --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Dňa Tuesday 03 June 2008 15:53:04 Vahis ste napísal:
Stanislav Visnovsky wrote:
Dňa Saturday 31 May 2008 16:27:46 Vahis ste napísal:
Bernhard Walle wrote:
* Per Jessen <per@computer.org> [2008-05-31 14:22]:
I've just installed 11.0 RC1 on an old Pentium II with 384Mb RAM. The installer chose to install an SMP+PAE kernel, which I find pretty unusual? Any thoughts on why?
Because your processor *has* PAE. PAE is not only more than 4 GiB physical address space but also the "no execute" bit. The "default" kernel is also SMP (since openSUSE 10.2, IIRC) because there's no "smp" kernel. I bet that you didn't notice any difference between "default" and "pae".
Bernhard
I noticed that if I update beta3 to RC1 with zypper dup it updates the installed kernel-default to the latest one. If I boot from RC1 DVD and update, the pae kernel gets installed though there is kernel-default installed in the system.
If you boot DVD, YaST will select the best suited kernel for your system using a bit more complicated logic (based on available memory, NX support, etc). Using zypper, satsolver simply keeps the packages but upgrades to the newer versions (basically).
Stano --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
This is quite OK. Maybe even splendid. There's another thing, it's (on vmware guest) the boot menu gets screwed up.
I wonder if anyone has experienced this with real hardware. I have reproduced it as 11.0 beta3 => 11.0 RC1 And 10.3 => 11.0 RC1. I filed it: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=396155
Logs are requested there. I wonder which log(s) would be needed.
Yes, that's a bug. Stano --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Stanislav Visnovsky wrote:
Dňa Tuesday 03 June 2008 15:53:04 Vahis ste napísal:
Stanislav Visnovsky wrote:
Dňa Saturday 31 May 2008 16:27:46 Vahis ste napísal:
Bernhard Walle wrote:
* Per Jessen <per@computer.org> [2008-05-31 14:22]:
I've just installed 11.0 RC1 on an old Pentium II with 384Mb RAM. The installer chose to install an SMP+PAE kernel, which I find pretty unusual? Any thoughts on why?
Because your processor *has* PAE. PAE is not only more than 4 GiB physical address space but also the "no execute" bit. The "default" kernel is also SMP (since openSUSE 10.2, IIRC) because there's no "smp" kernel. I bet that you didn't notice any difference between "default" and "pae".
Bernhard
I noticed that if I update beta3 to RC1 with zypper dup it updates the installed kernel-default to the latest one. If I boot from RC1 DVD and update, the pae kernel gets installed though there is kernel-default installed in the system.
If you boot DVD, YaST will select the best suited kernel for your system using a bit more complicated logic (based on available memory, NX support, etc). Using zypper, satsolver simply keeps the packages but upgrades to the newer versions (basically).
Stano --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
This is quite OK. Maybe even splendid. There's another thing, it's (on vmware guest) the boot menu gets screwed up.
I wonder if anyone has experienced this with real hardware. I have reproduced it as 11.0 beta3 => 11.0 RC1 And 10.3 => 11.0 RC1. I filed it: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=396155
Logs are requested there. I wonder which log(s) would be needed.
Yes, that's a bug.
Stano
It is. I filed it. Logs were requested. Which logs should I sypply them with? -- Vahis --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 9:44 AM, Vahis <waxborg@gmail.com> wrote:
It is. I filed it. Logs were requested. Which logs should I sypply them with?
As this is a bug with the installer, they'll need yast logs: http://tr.opensuse.org/Bugs/YaST -- Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny) Even the most advanced equipment in the hands of the ignorant is just a pile of scrap. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Bernhard Walle wrote:
* Per Jessen <per@computer.org> [2008-05-31 14:22]:
I've just installed 11.0 RC1 on an old Pentium II with 384Mb RAM. The installer chose to install an SMP+PAE kernel, which I find pretty unusual? Any thoughts on why?
Because your processor *has* PAE. PAE is not only more than 4 GiB physical address space but also the "no execute" bit. The "default" kernel is also SMP (since openSUSE 10.2, IIRC) because there's no "smp" kernel. I bet that you didn't notice any difference between "default" and "pae".
No, not really. I was just surprised to see it, as I'm only used to seeing it on my machines with large amounts of memory. /Per Jessen, Zürich --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
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