Devel projects not building against Slowroll, yet
Hi, most devel projects are not building against Slowroll yet. Actually only these view projects DO already build against Slowroll: - Cloud:Seafile - Java:Factory - Java:packages - X11:xfce - filesystems:snapper - multimedia:proaudio The projects that are currently building against Tumbleweed but not against Slowroll: Apache:Modules Apache:Shibboleth Application:Astrophotography Application:Dochazka Application:ERP:GNUHealth:Factory Application:Geo Archiving:Backup Base:System Cloud:OpenStack:Factory Cloud:Tools CrossToolchain:avr devel:automotive devel:CaaSP:Head:ControllerNode devel:kanku devel:kubic devel:kubic:ignition devel:languages:clojure devel:languages:D devel:languages:haskell devel:languages:haxe devel:languages:javascript devel:languages:lua devel:languages:misc devel:languages:nodejs devel:languages:ocaml devel:languages:pascal devel:languages:perl devel:languages:python devel:languages:python:aliyun devel:languages:python:avocado devel:languages:python:aws devel:languages:python:azure devel:languages:python:certbot devel:languages:python:django devel:languages:python:Factory devel:languages:python:flask devel:languages:python:google devel:languages:python:jupyter devel:languages:python:mailman devel:languages:python:numeric devel:languages:python:pytest devel:languages:R:released devel:languages:ruby devel:languages:ruby:extensions devel:languages:rust devel:languages:tcl devel:microos devel:microos:aeon devel:microos:aeon:images devel:microos:images devel:microos:kalpa devel:openQA:tested devel:openSUSE:Factory:Apps devel:sap:cluster-agents devel:tools devel:tools:scm devel:tools:scm:svn devel:tools:statica Documentation Documentation:Tools editors Education Emulators Emulators:Wine filesharing filesystems filesystems:ceph games games:tools graphics graphics:darktable hamradio hardware hardware:boot hardware:FPGA hardware:nvdimm hardware:sdr isv:SUSE:SupportTools:Factory KDE:Applications KDE:Extra KDE:Frameworks KDE:KDE3 KDE:Qt:5.15 KDE:Qt6 KDE:Qt:PyQt Kernel:kdump LibreOffice:Factory Linux-PAM M17N M17N:fonts M17N:l10n.opensuse.org Mono multimedia:apps multimedia:color_management multimedia:libs multimedia:voice-assistant multimedia:xine network network:chromium network:cluster network:cluster:ohpc network:dhcp network:ha-clustering:Factory network:ha-clustering:sap-deployments:devel network:idm network:im:whatsapp network:ldap network:messaging:kafka network:messaging:matrix network:messaging:mqtt network:messaging:xmpp network:NIS network:pidgin network:samba:CONTAINERS network:samba:STABLE network:telephony network:vpn network:vpn:wireguard network:wicked:factory Office openSUSE:infrastructure:MirrorCache openSUSE:Tools Printing Publishing Publishing:TeXLive science science:machinelearning security security:apparmor security:chipcard security:dehydrated security:forensics security:idm security:keepassxc security:netfilter security:OpenVAS:STABLE security:privacy security:sensor security:Stunnel security:tls server:database server:database:postgresql server:dns server:http server:irc server:mail server:monitoring server:monitoring:zabbix server:php:extensions server:search shells SUSE:SUSEStudio system:packagemanager system:packagemanager:dnf systemsmanagement systemsmanagement:Agama:Devel systemsmanagement:ansible systemsmanagement:cockpit systemsmanagement:opentofu systemsmanagement:saltstack systemsmanagement:SCC systemsmanagement:SCC:RMT systemsmanagement:terraform systemsmanagement:wbem systemsmanagement:yomi vdr Virtualization Virtualization:Appliances:Builder Virtualization:Appliances:Images:openSUSE-Tumbleweed Virtualization:containers Virtualization:containers:images Virtualization:vagrant Virtualization:VMware Virtualization:WSL windows:mingw windows:mingw:win32 windows:mingw:win64 X11:Bumblebee X11:common:Factory X11:Compiz X11:Deepin X11:Drivers:Video:Redesign X11:Enlightenment:Factory X11:FOX X11:GNUstep X11:lxde X11:LXQt X11:LXQt:Other X11:Pantheon X11:Pantheon:Apps X11:RemoteDesktop X11:Solus X11:Unity X11:Utilities X11:Wayland X11:windowmanagers X11:wxWidgets X11:XOrg YaST:Head zypp:Head Regards, Dominik
On 27.06.24 14:35, Dominik Heidler wrote:
Hi,
most devel projects are not building against Slowroll yet. Actually only these view projects DO already build against Slowroll: - Cloud:Seafile - Java:Factory - Java:packages - X11:xfce - filesystems:snapper - multimedia:proaudio
The projects that are currently building against Tumbleweed but not against Slowroll:
Consider Emulators, systemsmanagement, and systemsmanagement:wbem done. Klaus
Those should be done now: devel:languages:clojure devel:tools graphics network:im:whatsapp network:messaging:xmpp X11:lxde X11:LXQt X11:LXQt:Other X11:Wayland On Thu, Jun 27, 2024 at 2:35 PM Dominik Heidler <dheidler@suse.de> wrote:
Hi,
most devel projects are not building against Slowroll yet. Actually only these view projects DO already build against Slowroll: - Cloud:Seafile - Java:Factory - Java:packages - X11:xfce - filesystems:snapper - multimedia:proaudio
The projects that are currently building against Tumbleweed but not against Slowroll:
Apache:Modules Apache:Shibboleth Application:Astrophotography Application:Dochazka Application:ERP:GNUHealth:Factory Application:Geo Archiving:Backup Base:System Cloud:OpenStack:Factory Cloud:Tools CrossToolchain:avr devel:automotive devel:CaaSP:Head:ControllerNode devel:kanku devel:kubic devel:kubic:ignition devel:languages:clojure devel:languages:D devel:languages:haskell devel:languages:haxe devel:languages:javascript devel:languages:lua devel:languages:misc devel:languages:nodejs devel:languages:ocaml devel:languages:pascal devel:languages:perl devel:languages:python devel:languages:python:aliyun devel:languages:python:avocado devel:languages:python:aws devel:languages:python:azure devel:languages:python:certbot devel:languages:python:django devel:languages:python:Factory devel:languages:python:flask devel:languages:python:google devel:languages:python:jupyter devel:languages:python:mailman devel:languages:python:numeric devel:languages:python:pytest devel:languages:R:released devel:languages:ruby devel:languages:ruby:extensions devel:languages:rust devel:languages:tcl devel:microos devel:microos:aeon devel:microos:aeon:images devel:microos:images devel:microos:kalpa devel:openQA:tested devel:openSUSE:Factory:Apps devel:sap:cluster-agents devel:tools devel:tools:scm devel:tools:scm:svn devel:tools:statica Documentation Documentation:Tools editors Education Emulators Emulators:Wine filesharing filesystems filesystems:ceph games games:tools graphics graphics:darktable hamradio hardware hardware:boot hardware:FPGA hardware:nvdimm hardware:sdr isv:SUSE:SupportTools:Factory KDE:Applications KDE:Extra KDE:Frameworks KDE:KDE3 KDE:Qt:5.15 KDE:Qt6 KDE:Qt:PyQt Kernel:kdump LibreOffice:Factory Linux-PAM M17N M17N:fonts M17N:l10n.opensuse.org Mono multimedia:apps multimedia:color_management multimedia:libs multimedia:voice-assistant multimedia:xine network network:chromium network:cluster network:cluster:ohpc network:dhcp network:ha-clustering:Factory network:ha-clustering:sap-deployments:devel network:idm network:im:whatsapp network:ldap network:messaging:kafka network:messaging:matrix network:messaging:mqtt network:messaging:xmpp network:NIS network:pidgin network:samba:CONTAINERS network:samba:STABLE network:telephony network:vpn network:vpn:wireguard network:wicked:factory Office openSUSE:infrastructure:MirrorCache openSUSE:Tools Printing Publishing Publishing:TeXLive science science:machinelearning security security:apparmor security:chipcard security:dehydrated security:forensics security:idm security:keepassxc security:netfilter security:OpenVAS:STABLE security:privacy security:sensor security:Stunnel security:tls server:database server:database:postgresql server:dns server:http server:irc server:mail server:monitoring server:monitoring:zabbix server:php:extensions server:search shells SUSE:SUSEStudio system:packagemanager system:packagemanager:dnf systemsmanagement systemsmanagement:Agama:Devel systemsmanagement:ansible systemsmanagement:cockpit systemsmanagement:opentofu systemsmanagement:saltstack systemsmanagement:SCC systemsmanagement:SCC:RMT systemsmanagement:terraform systemsmanagement:wbem systemsmanagement:yomi vdr Virtualization Virtualization:Appliances:Builder Virtualization:Appliances:Images:openSUSE-Tumbleweed Virtualization:containers Virtualization:containers:images Virtualization:vagrant Virtualization:VMware Virtualization:WSL windows:mingw windows:mingw:win32 windows:mingw:win64 X11:Bumblebee X11:common:Factory X11:Compiz X11:Deepin X11:Drivers:Video:Redesign X11:Enlightenment:Factory X11:FOX X11:GNUstep X11:lxde X11:LXQt X11:LXQt:Other X11:Pantheon X11:Pantheon:Apps X11:RemoteDesktop X11:Solus X11:Unity X11:Utilities X11:Wayland X11:windowmanagers X11:wxWidgets X11:XOrg YaST:Head zypp:Head
Regards, Dominik
On 6/27/24 05:35, Dominik Heidler wrote:
Hi,
most devel projects are not building against Slowroll yet. Actually only these view projects DO already build against Slowroll: - Cloud:Seafile - Java:Factory - Java:packages - X11:xfce - filesystems:snapper - multimedia:proaudio
The projects that are currently building against Tumbleweed but not against Slowroll:
Apache:Modules Apache:Shibboleth Application:Astrophotography Application:Dochazka Application:ERP:GNUHealth:Factory Application:Geo Archiving:Backup Base:System Cloud:OpenStack:Factory Cloud:Tools CrossToolchain:avr devel:automotive devel:CaaSP:Head:ControllerNode devel:kanku devel:kubic devel:kubic:ignition devel:languages:clojure devel:languages:D devel:languages:haskell devel:languages:haxe devel:languages:javascript devel:languages:lua devel:languages:misc devel:languages:nodejs devel:languages:ocaml devel:languages:pascal devel:languages:perl devel:languages:python devel:languages:python:aliyun devel:languages:python:avocado devel:languages:python:aws devel:languages:python:azure devel:languages:python:certbot devel:languages:python:django devel:languages:python:Factory devel:languages:python:flask devel:languages:python:google devel:languages:python:jupyter devel:languages:python:mailman devel:languages:python:numeric devel:languages:python:pytest devel:languages:R:released devel:languages:ruby devel:languages:ruby:extensions devel:languages:rust devel:languages:tcl devel:microos devel:microos:aeon devel:microos:aeon:images devel:microos:images devel:microos:kalpa devel:openQA:tested devel:openSUSE:Factory:Apps devel:sap:cluster-agents devel:tools devel:tools:scm devel:tools:scm:svn devel:tools:statica Documentation Documentation:Tools editors Education Emulators Emulators:Wine filesharing filesystems filesystems:ceph games games:tools graphics graphics:darktable hamradio hardware hardware:boot hardware:FPGA hardware:nvdimm hardware:sdr isv:SUSE:SupportTools:Factory KDE:Applications KDE:Extra KDE:Frameworks KDE:KDE3 KDE:Qt:5.15 KDE:Qt6 KDE:Qt:PyQt Kernel:kdump LibreOffice:Factory Linux-PAM M17N M17N:fonts M17N:l10n.opensuse.org Mono multimedia:apps multimedia:color_management multimedia:libs multimedia:voice-assistant multimedia:xine network network:chromium network:cluster network:cluster:ohpc network:dhcp network:ha-clustering:Factory network:ha-clustering:sap-deployments:devel network:idm network:im:whatsapp network:ldap network:messaging:kafka network:messaging:matrix network:messaging:mqtt network:messaging:xmpp network:NIS network:pidgin network:samba:CONTAINERS network:samba:STABLE network:telephony network:vpn network:vpn:wireguard network:wicked:factory Office openSUSE:infrastructure:MirrorCache openSUSE:Tools Printing Publishing Publishing:TeXLive science science:machinelearning security security:apparmor security:chipcard security:dehydrated security:forensics security:idm security:keepassxc security:netfilter security:OpenVAS:STABLE security:privacy security:sensor security:Stunnel security:tls server:database server:database:postgresql server:dns server:http server:irc server:mail server:monitoring server:monitoring:zabbix server:php:extensions server:search shells SUSE:SUSEStudio system:packagemanager system:packagemanager:dnf systemsmanagement systemsmanagement:Agama:Devel systemsmanagement:ansible systemsmanagement:cockpit systemsmanagement:opentofu systemsmanagement:saltstack systemsmanagement:SCC systemsmanagement:SCC:RMT systemsmanagement:terraform systemsmanagement:wbem systemsmanagement:yomi vdr Virtualization Virtualization:Appliances:Builder Virtualization:Appliances:Images:openSUSE-Tumbleweed Virtualization:containers Virtualization:containers:images Virtualization:vagrant Virtualization:VMware Virtualization:WSL windows:mingw windows:mingw:win32 windows:mingw:win64 X11:Bumblebee X11:common:Factory X11:Compiz X11:Deepin X11:Drivers:Video:Redesign X11:Enlightenment:Factory X11:FOX X11:GNUstep X11:lxde X11:LXQt X11:LXQt:Other X11:Pantheon X11:Pantheon:Apps X11:RemoteDesktop X11:Solus X11:Unity X11:Utilities X11:Wayland X11:windowmanagers X11:wxWidgets X11:XOrg YaST:Head zypp:Head
Regards, Dominik
Why would devel:microos* build against slowroll? That makes zero sense.
I just created a list querying all devel projects that build against Tumbleweed but not against Slowroll using a script. If some devel projects don't make sense for Slowroll, that's fine of course. Am 27.06.24 um 16:10 schrieb Shawn W Dunn:
Why would devel:microos* build against slowroll? That makes zero sense.
27.06.2024 16:20:44 Dominik Heidler <dheidler@suse.de>:
I just created a list querying all devel projects that build against Tumbleweed but not against Slowroll using a script. If some devel projects don't make sense for Slowroll, that's fine of course.
In which git repository do you manage the blocklist for repos that shouldn't be considered for Slowroll so that we can suggest changes in pull requests? :)
Am Thursday, 27 June 2024, 16:20:28 CEST schrieb Dominik Heidler:
I just created a list querying all devel projects that build against Tumbleweed but not against Slowroll using a script. If some devel projects don't make sense for Slowroll, that's fine of course. Am 27.06.24 um 16:10 schrieb Shawn W Dunn:
Why would devel:microos* build against slowroll? That makes zero sense.
os-update is in devel:microos. And it it useful on Leap, Tumbleweed and also on Slowroll -- Mit freundlichen Gruessen, Andreas Vetter
Hello, On behalf of KDE maintainers: On jeudi 27 juin 2024 14:35:14 UTC+2 Dominik Heidler wrote:
KDE:Applications KDE:Extra KDE:Frameworks
KDE:Qt:5.15 KDE:Qt6
This was asked some time ago and the reply didn't change. We won't add slowroll builds to the KDE repos. Slowroll users want older versions of packages, not the ones from the devel projects. And on a personal note and for the same reason:
Office
I also won't add slowroll builds to the Office repository. Christophe
On 27. 06. 24, 18:01, Christophe Marin via openSUSE Factory wrote:
Hello,
On behalf of KDE maintainers:
On jeudi 27 juin 2024 14:35:14 UTC+2 Dominik Heidler wrote:
KDE:Applications KDE:Extra KDE:Frameworks
KDE:Qt:5.15 KDE:Qt6
This was asked some time ago and the reply didn't change. We won't add slowroll builds to the KDE repos. Slowroll users want older versions of packages, not the ones from the devel projects.
Devel projects are useful to check if the latest version fixed a bug. So the above does not make sense at all. -- js suse labs
On 28. 06. 24, 6:58, Jiri Slaby wrote:
On 27. 06. 24, 18:01, Christophe Marin via openSUSE Factory wrote:
Hello,
On behalf of KDE maintainers:
On jeudi 27 juin 2024 14:35:14 UTC+2 Dominik Heidler wrote:
KDE:Applications KDE:Extra KDE:Frameworks
KDE:Qt:5.15 KDE:Qt6
This was asked some time ago and the reply didn't change. We won't add slowroll builds to the KDE repos. Slowroll users want older versions of packages, not the ones from the devel projects.
Devel projects are useful to check if the latest version fixed a bug. So the above does not make sense at all.
IOW, why do you build against 15.5 and 15.6? Users of those "want older versions of packages", no? -- js suse labs
15.5 is still supported and disabling these would lead to many unhappy devel project repo users with broken repository urls. Many people use them. Plus 15.6 would probably have some unresolvables on 15.5 Dne pá 28. 6. 2024 7:00 uživatel Jiri Slaby <jslaby@suse.cz> napsal:
On 28. 06. 24, 6:58, Jiri Slaby wrote:
On 27. 06. 24, 18:01, Christophe Marin via openSUSE Factory wrote:
Hello,
On behalf of KDE maintainers:
On jeudi 27 juin 2024 14:35:14 UTC+2 Dominik Heidler wrote:
KDE:Applications KDE:Extra KDE:Frameworks
KDE:Qt:5.15 KDE:Qt6
This was asked some time ago and the reply didn't change. We won't add slowroll builds to the KDE repos. Slowroll users want older versions of packages, not the ones from the devel projects.
Devel projects are useful to check if the latest version fixed a bug. So the above does not make sense at all.
IOW, why do you build against 15.5 and 15.6? Users of those "want older versions of packages", no?
-- js suse labs
On 28. 06. 24, 7:46, Lubos Kocman wrote:
15.5 is still supported and disabling these would lead to many unhappy devel project repo users with broken repository urls. Many people use them. Plus 15.6 would probably have some unresolvables on 15.5
Exactly, when there are users of devel prjs in 15.5 and 15.6, why there wouldn't be for slowroll? -- js suse labs
Hello, (grouping answers, please respect the Reply-to field for further replies) On vendredi 28 juin 2024 07:46:12 UTC+2 Lubos Kocman wrote:
15.5 is still supported and disabling these would lead to many unhappy devel project repo users with broken repository urls. Many people use them. Plus 15.6 would probably have some unresolvables on 15.5
That's correct. The Leap and Slowroll concepts are fundamentally different: - Leap users want a stable base and occasional updates. Only a few KDE / Qt packages are maintained in SLE. For these users, we provide additional repositories with the latest KDE packages releases. - Slowroll users want a factory base that doesn't get updated several times a week, knowing they won't immediately get the shiny-new-release that just came out. It makes no sense to provide latest versions for Slowroll. They will get it when it's updated. Users willing to get the latest versions without delay should question whether using Slowroll is what they really want.
Devel projects are useful to check if the latest version fixed a bug. So the above does not make sense at all.
From a maintainance pov, it would also make no sense, openSUSE:Slowroll packages are copied from openSUSE:Factory. We have no role in what happens there (and since I happen to be the one who submits most KDE/Qt packages to factory, I absolutely don't want any) Christophe
On Fri, 28 Jun 2024, Jiri Slaby wrote:
On 27. 06. 24, 18:01, Christophe Marin via openSUSE Factory wrote:
Hello,
On behalf of KDE maintainers:
On jeudi 27 juin 2024 14:35:14 UTC+2 Dominik Heidler wrote:
KDE:Applications KDE:Extra KDE:Frameworks
KDE:Qt:5.15 KDE:Qt6
This was asked some time ago and the reply didn't change. We won't add slowroll builds to the KDE repos. Slowroll users want older versions of packages, not the ones from the devel projects.
Devel projects are useful to check if the latest version fixed a bug. So the above does not make sense at all.
But when is Tumbleweed far enough ahead that its packages cannot be installed ontop of Slowroll for such rare occasion? That is, is it really worth spending extra CO2 on these builds? Richard. -- Richard Biener <rguenther@suse.de> SUSE Software Solutions Germany GmbH, Frankenstrasse 146, 90461 Nuernberg, Germany; GF: Ivo Totev, Andrew McDonald, Werner Knoblich; (HRB 36809, AG Nuernberg)
On Thu, Jun 27, 2024 at 2:36 PM Dominik Heidler <dheidler@suse.de> wrote:
Hi,
most devel projects are not building against Slowroll yet. Actually only these view projects DO already build against Slowroll: - Cloud:Seafile - Java:Factory - Java:packages - X11:xfce - filesystems:snapper - multimedia:proaudio
The projects that are currently building against Tumbleweed but not against Slowroll:
[...]
system:packagemanager:dnf
I've enabled Slowroll, since I already enable literally all variants of Factory and Tumbleweed already anyway. -- 真実はいつも一つ！/ Always, there's only one truth!
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Richard Biener -
Shawn W Dunn