I'm sorry if i was perturbating this other thread with my bugs remarks, but I'm very confused on this subject, and -visibly- I'm not alone, so this must be addressed soon. In short, what is really buggy in the update SUSE 10.1 sytem and what is not? reading opensuse list and suse-linux-e list, it seems that nothing works on many hardware. The "I hate SUSE" game is full of players. the "most annoying bugs" http://en.opensuse.org/Bugs:Most_Annoying_Bugs_10.1#SUSE_Linux_10.1_.28Final... is itself buggy :-) say not very clear. what can an ordinary user know about "zen-updater" (I myself don't really understand what it's for); "will crash YaST." is specially frightening. all this makes me think "yast is not reliable" so my reaction. all the threads about rug, zmd, smart... are also very disturbing. SO. we need a wiki page linked to "most annoying bugs" with a clear statement like "In most situation you can safely use YaST online update. More, you should use it for _all_ your software work unless you are experienced with others utilities." and more. And written with the normal user in mind, not the debugger... a page we could give as reference for any related question. thanks jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 05:04:00PM +0200, jdd wrote:
a page we could give as reference for any related question.
I am looking forward to the page you make. Just tell us when it is ready. -- houghi http://houghi.org http://www.plainfaqs.org/linux/ http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html
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houghi wrote:
If I ask for it's because I'm so confused I need the info. I may enventually give examples or participate, but right now I don't know the answer. seems like many here do know... jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos
jdd wrote:
the answer is given right now on the IRC conference jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos
tirsdag 30 maj 2006 17:04 skrev jdd:
There are lots of interesting pages about the new package management already. What is what? http://en.opensuse.org/Zmd What are the problems? (If you know of more issues, add them) http://en.opensuse.org/Libzypp/Issues What is Libzypp all about? http://en.opensuse.org/Libzypp How does one use Rug? http://en.opensuse.org/Examples_using_rug The one thing we might still need on the wiki is a page on howto work around the problems by using alternative stuff: y2pmsh, Smart, Apt. But there is some usable stuff here: http://spinink.net/2006/05/20/installing-smart-package-manager/ http://dev-loki.blogspot.com/ http://suse.linuxin.dk#smart (for Scandinavians). I know there are different opinions on moving people to Smart - but I have to say I agree that the standard stuff is simply not usable - not with a few additional repos and middle- to low-end hardware at least. To me it's a matter of either moving people to Smart packagemanagement - or moving them to another distro. "Luckily" I'm not on suse-linux-e - but I imagine it's pretty much like #suse. However apart from package management - and maybe beagle running by default - and of course the issues with rt2500 and Atheros wlan - 10.1 is absolutely great. And these issues can all be remedied pretty easily - unless you're a complete newb. Saying "I hate 10.1" is silly - tell these people to find out what it is that they hate about it - and fix these specific issues. But perhaps we should set up a page on the wiki about "10.1 Issues" and how to solve them. Not a bad idea I think - but maybe marketing department would be mad at us - but I think we'd be doing Novell a favour in the long run. Martin / cb400f
I've put up a page on the wiki with the intention of preparing people for the challenges of 10.1 - and equipping them to overcome those same challenges - like I also mentioned at the status meeting. The point is to avoid people jumping ship and switching to some inferior distro - perhaps one coming out later this week :) Check it out here: http://en.opensuse.org/Using_10.1 I, or rather the wiki page, needs some information on the best way to disable the beagle indexing stuff. And I also need some input on howto best recompile the kernel module in case of kernel update when installing nvidia driver with tiny-nvidia-installer. I think perhaps a paragraph on Updating (configuration, ~suse/update/10.1, zen updater, YOU etc.) in 10.1 could be a good idea. I've taken the liberty of linking to the new page from the download page. http://en.opensuse.org/Download Martin Schlander
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 09:43:17PM +0200, Martin Schlander wrote:
Nice. Perhaps also some ndiswrapper info and how to get your wireless online if you don't have any other connection. -- houghi http://houghi.org http://www.plainfaqs.org/linux/ http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html
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Martin Schlander wrote:
thanks for that jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 05:04:00PM +0200, jdd wrote:
a page we could give as reference for any related question.
I am looking forward to the page you make. Just tell us when it is ready. -- houghi http://houghi.org http://www.plainfaqs.org/linux/ http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html
Today I went outside. My pupils have never been tinier...
houghi wrote:
If I ask for it's because I'm so confused I need the info. I may enventually give examples or participate, but right now I don't know the answer. seems like many here do know... jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos
jdd wrote:
the answer is given right now on the IRC conference jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos
tirsdag 30 maj 2006 17:04 skrev jdd:
There are lots of interesting pages about the new package management already. What is what? http://en.opensuse.org/Zmd What are the problems? (If you know of more issues, add them) http://en.opensuse.org/Libzypp/Issues What is Libzypp all about? http://en.opensuse.org/Libzypp How does one use Rug? http://en.opensuse.org/Examples_using_rug The one thing we might still need on the wiki is a page on howto work around the problems by using alternative stuff: y2pmsh, Smart, Apt. But there is some usable stuff here: http://spinink.net/2006/05/20/installing-smart-package-manager/ http://dev-loki.blogspot.com/ http://suse.linuxin.dk#smart (for Scandinavians). I know there are different opinions on moving people to Smart - but I have to say I agree that the standard stuff is simply not usable - not with a few additional repos and middle- to low-end hardware at least. To me it's a matter of either moving people to Smart packagemanagement - or moving them to another distro. "Luckily" I'm not on suse-linux-e - but I imagine it's pretty much like #suse. However apart from package management - and maybe beagle running by default - and of course the issues with rt2500 and Atheros wlan - 10.1 is absolutely great. And these issues can all be remedied pretty easily - unless you're a complete newb. Saying "I hate 10.1" is silly - tell these people to find out what it is that they hate about it - and fix these specific issues. But perhaps we should set up a page on the wiki about "10.1 Issues" and how to solve them. Not a bad idea I think - but maybe marketing department would be mad at us - but I think we'd be doing Novell a favour in the long run. Martin / cb400f
I've put up a page on the wiki with the intention of preparing people for the challenges of 10.1 - and equipping them to overcome those same challenges - like I also mentioned at the status meeting. The point is to avoid people jumping ship and switching to some inferior distro - perhaps one coming out later this week :) Check it out here: http://en.opensuse.org/Using_10.1 I, or rather the wiki page, needs some information on the best way to disable the beagle indexing stuff. And I also need some input on howto best recompile the kernel module in case of kernel update when installing nvidia driver with tiny-nvidia-installer. I think perhaps a paragraph on Updating (configuration, ~suse/update/10.1, zen updater, YOU etc.) in 10.1 could be a good idea. I've taken the liberty of linking to the new page from the download page. http://en.opensuse.org/Download Martin Schlander
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 09:43:17PM +0200, Martin Schlander wrote:
Nice. Perhaps also some ndiswrapper info and how to get your wireless online if you don't have any other connection. -- houghi http://houghi.org http://www.plainfaqs.org/linux/ http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html
Today I went outside. My pupils have never been tinier...
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