[opensuse-factory] openSUSE Leap 15: No support for NVIDIA Optimus setups ?
Same with suse-prime on Tumbleweed for me. Bumblebeework up to kernel 4.16.5 . Any help available ? Uli -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Am 30.04.2018 um 10:40 schrieb Beling:
Same with suse-prime on Tumbleweed for me. Bumblebeework up to kernel 4.16.5 . Any help available ? Uli
Welcome! There are not that many Optimus-Users on this list. Meanwhile i found this https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1089116 But in order to get a usable system i have to switch of "composite" in KDE otherwise mouse and keyboard input show unacceptable delays. Regards Hagen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
понеділок, 30 квітня 2018 р. 21:26:38 EEST Hagen Buliwyf написано:
Am 30.04.2018 um 10:40 schrieb Beling:
Same with suse-prime on Tumbleweed for me. Bumblebeework up to kernel 4.16.5 . Any help available ? Uli
Welcome! There are not that many Optimus-Users on this list. ... But in order to get a usable system i have to switch of "composite" in KDE otherwise mouse and keyboard input show unacceptable delays.
Hi, I'm using Tumbleweed and Bumblebee and it kinda work. KDE Plasma composition is "on" and working well on Intel GPU. What is your meaning of "No support"? What is expected to have? openSUSE has no official suse-prime, only Bumblebee. I'm trying to get nvidia-xrun working, I managed to get it working with OpenGL (in my home repo), but still no so lucky with Vulkan. -- Kind regards, Mykola Krachkovsky -- Найкращі побажання, Микола Крачковський
Mykola Krachkovsky wrote:
I'm using Tumbleweed and Bumblebee and it kinda work.
Hmm, what you mean with 'kinda'? I also use bumblebee/optirun (from bumblebee repo) with my T460p (HD530/940MX, Driver=nvidia, Bridge=primus) and the only issue is that it doesn't automatically compile the kernel modules when a new kernel is installed, so I need to run dkms manually. No problems with games or stuff like google earth.
What is your meaning of "No support"? What is expected to have?
openSUSE has no official suse-prime, only Bumblebee. I'm trying to get nvidia-xrun working, I managed to get it working with OpenGL (in my home repo), but still no so lucky with Vulkan.
Hmm, that may be the difference - I never felt the urge to run a full X session on the card (didn't even know nvidia-xrun), does that offer advantages? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
02.05.2018 12:48, Peter Suetterlin пишет:
Mykola Krachkovsky wrote:
I'm using Tumbleweed and Bumblebee and it kinda work.
Hmm, what you mean with 'kinda'? I also use bumblebee/optirun (from bumblebee repo) with my T460p (HD530/940MX, Driver=nvidia, Bridge=primus) and the only issue is that it doesn't automatically compile the kernel modules when a new kernel is installed, so I need to run dkms manually. No problems with games or stuff like google earth.
What is your meaning of "No support"? What is expected to have?
openSUSE has no official suse-prime, only Bumblebee. I'm trying to get nvidia-xrun working, I managed to get it working with OpenGL (in my home repo), but still no so lucky with Vulkan.
Hmm, that may be the difference - I never felt the urge to run a full X session on the card (didn't even know nvidia-xrun), does that offer advantages?
Bumblebee artificially restricts max FPS, it does not allow using video hardware acceleration or CUDA. nvidia-xrun does nothing different from nVidia PRIME (or suse-prime), except PRIME attempts to integrate it into normal startup and nvidia-xrun requires explicit start from non-X11 session. It would be really better to make suse-prime work and supported part of distribution than add yet another hackish half-supported script. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
середа, 2 травня 2018 р. 14:43:58 EEST Andrei Borzenkov написано:
Bumblebee artificially restricts max FPS, it does not allow using video hardware acceleration or CUDA.
Well, max fps is not really a problem for most cases and Intel GPU vaapi works also well. But totally agree for CUDA.
nvidia-xrun does nothing different from nVidia PRIME (or suse-prime), except PRIME attempts to integrate it into normal startup and nvidia-xrun requires explicit start from non-X11 session. It would be really better to make suse-prime work and supported part of distribution than add yet another hackish half-supported script.
nvidia-xrun actually has xsession files. But haven't tried them closely, crashed one time and forgot about them for now. Main advantage of nvidia-xrun over nvidia/suse-prime — it doesn't require to remove bumblebee, it still working ok when you rarely need full nvidia power and don't want to relogin for some game. -- Kind regards, Mykola Krachkovsky -- Найкращі побажання, Микола Крачковський
02.05.2018 15:02, Mykola Krachkovsky пишет:
nvidia-xrun does nothing different from nVidia PRIME (or suse-prime), except PRIME attempts to integrate it into normal startup and nvidia-xrun requires explicit start from non-X11 session. It would be really better to make suse-prime work and supported part of distribution than add yet another hackish half-supported script.
nvidia-xrun actually has xsession files. But haven't tried them closely,
That's not what I meant. PRIME is integrated into normal display manager startup.
crashed one time and forgot about them for now. Main advantage of nvidia-xrun over nvidia/suse-prime — it doesn't require to remove bumblebee, it still
Why would PRIME require removing bumblebee? The two are completely independent of each other. Again - nvidia-xrun does NOTHING different than PRIME does.
working ok when you rarely need full nvidia power and don't want to relogin for some game.
Huh? You must start nvidia-xrun from non-X11 session - and AS ROOT, so you must logout and go into run level 3, unless you are always in run level 3 which I doubt. If it does not mean "relogin", what does?
середа, 2 травня 2018 р. 15:44:02 EEST Andrei Borzenkov написано:
Why would PRIME require removing bumblebee? The two are completely independent of each other. Again - nvidia-xrun does NOTHING different than PRIME does.
Maybe, I haven't look into prime, just noticed that every instruction I've read begins with "remove Bumblebee, but leave bbswitch"
Huh? You must start nvidia-xrun from non-X11 session - and AS ROOT, so you must logout and go into run level 3, unless you are always in run level 3 which I doubt. If it does not mean "relogin", what does?
I've meant for most cases I'm happy with Bumblebee, optirun smth and it works, so no relogin. And nvidia-xrun doesn't require root, I start it from my user, it calls sudo internally for module load/unload, but not for session. -- Kind regards, Mykola Krachkovsky -- Найкращі побажання, Микола Крачковський
середа, 2 травня 2018 р. 12:48:08 EEST Peter Suetterlin написано:
Mykola Krachkovsky wrote:
I'm using Tumbleweed and Bumblebee and it kinda work.
Hmm, what you mean with 'kinda'?
Bumblebee is almost dead project — no changes for 5 years in master branch. It has a lot of unfixed bugs, needs kernel parameters (my laptop hangs without them [1]). And seriously no hope for Vulkan support [2]. So aside from that it's working.
and the only issue is that it doesn't automatically compile the kernel modules when a new kernel is installed, so I need to run dkms manually. No problems with games or stuff like google earth.
That's easily solved but enabling dkms at start using YaST or systemctl. But I don't like that behaviour: waiting for compiling at system boot while I don't need NVidia GPU is irritating. I've just added systemctl start/stop dkms to sudoers to run NOPASSWD.
Hmm, that may be the difference - I never felt the urge to run a full X session on the card (didn't even know nvidia-xrun), does that offer advantages?
No real advantages for me in OpenGL, some people says it has superior performance, but I haven't noticed that. Maybe there is some, but not worth other problems. But Bumblebee has no Vulkan support (and I doubtful it would) so the only way is to run full X session with valid paths — nvidia/suse-prime or nvidia-xrun. First way needs to remove Bumblebee and I didn't like that much, so I'm trying to make nvidia-xrun works. But so far I've managed to run only vulkaninfo with NVidia GPU. And every real apps (e.g. tests [3], [4] or Rise of the Tomb Raider) crash, while working fine on Intel GPU (well RotTR is really slow, but runs). [1] https://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/Bumblebee/issues/764 [2] https://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/Bumblebee/issues/769 [3] https://github.com/krh/vkcube [4] https://github.com/SaschaWillems/Vulkan -- Kind regards, Mykola Krachkovsky -- Найкращі побажання, Микола Крачковський
Am 02.05.2018 um 11:25 schrieb Mykola Krachkovsky:
понеділок, 30 квітня 2018 р. 21:26:38 EEST Hagen Buliwyf написано:
Am 30.04.2018 um 10:40 schrieb Beling:
Same with suse-prime on Tumbleweed for me. Bumblebeework up to kernel 4.16.5 . Any help available ? Uli
Welcome! There are not that many Optimus-Users on this list. ... But in order to get a usable system i have to switch of "composite" in KDE otherwise mouse and keyboard input show unacceptable delays.
Hi,
I'm using Tumbleweed and Bumblebee and it kinda work. KDE Plasma composition is "on" and working well on Intel GPU. What is your meaning of "No support"? What is expected to have?
When i wrote the initial mail bumblebee didn't work at all on my system. Later i found the bug report i mentioned. Now i can start up my system without problems and use KDE but i have to switch off composite otherwise the system is quite unresponsive.
openSUSE has no official suse-prime, only Bumblebee. I'm trying to get nvidia-xrun working, I managed to get it working with OpenGL (in my home repo), but still no so lucky with Vulkan.
I'm not familiar with NVIDIA Optimus. The UEFI in my Laptop does not allow to switch of the NVIDIA card. One can only use the NVIDIA card (no Intel graphics) or something that is called "MSHYBRID". The use of the NVIDIA card drains the battery within one hour. So i looked for a way to use only the Intel graphics and found bumblebee. I know nothing about nvidia-xrun or Vulkan or SUSE-prime Would one of those be the better choice if i only want to use the Intel graphics? If so, which one is best to use and how do i use it? Regards Hagen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 4:05 PM, Hagen Buliwyf <hagen.buliwyf@t-online.de> wrote: ...
I'm not familiar with NVIDIA Optimus.
The UEFI in my Laptop does not allow to switch of the NVIDIA card. One can only use the NVIDIA card (no Intel graphics) or something that is called "MSHYBRID".
From quick search it appears to enable Optimus. Not sure whether it makes iGPU primary one or not but it should be straightforward to test.
The use of the NVIDIA card drains the battery within one hour. So i looked for a way to use only the Intel graphics and found bumblebee.
I know nothing about
nvidia-xrun or Vulkan or SUSE-prime
I knew nothing about MSHYBRID 5 minutes ago.
Would one of those be the better choice if i only want to use the Intel graphics?
No. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
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