[opensuse-factory] [status report] openSUSE distribution, week 14
[disclaimer: this status report does not contain any April Fool's joke] - openSUSE 11.0 nears beta freeze - many features are taking care of right now, bugfixes are often delayed - factory is in pretty good shape, bootloader saw a fix :) - installation is actively been worked on, automatic configuration in second stage and image base installation should work now. - we switched to lzma payload for rpm last week - we seriously think about dropping the one CD solutions and concentrate on the installable live CDs + providing a live USB stick This would have some implications I would love to have feedback on: live cds would be i386 and x86_64, the USB stick would be a smaller system to download as compressed i386 disk image. So I would not put office and games on it, but rather some rescue tools and e.g. wireshark. If someone volunteered to create a pattern for that, it would be excellent. Greetings, Stephan -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Tirsdag den 1. April 2008 14:04:58 skrev Stephan Kulow:
- we seriously think about dropping the one CD solutions and concentrate on the installable live CDs + providing a live USB stick
Would it be possible to include the normal installer on the live-cd. The user could then have the choice at grub between booting live system or going straight to conventional installer. This would address the issue of the extra memory requirements of live install. Plus the risk of live system not being able to start in some cases because of X-issues. Live USB system sounds like a very good idea - but I think people will use it more as a portable system and for promotional purposes, than for rescue purposes. Maybe it would be better to drop graphics and multimedia apps than office and games. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Am Dienstag 01 April 2008 schrieb Martin Schlander:
Tirsdag den 1. April 2008 14:04:58 skrev Stephan Kulow:
- we seriously think about dropping the one CD solutions and concentrate on the installable live CDs + providing a live USB stick
Would it be possible to include the normal installer on the live-cd.
The user could then have the choice at grub between booting live system or going straight to conventional installer. Taking that there is no repository on the live cd, it can't be a conventional installer.
This would address the issue of the extra memory requirements of live install. Plus the risk of live system not being able to start in some cases because of X-issues.
If the live system won't start, you think people still want to install? If so, boot with 3 in the boot prompt and call yast2 live-installer after root login ;)
Live USB system sounds like a very good idea - but I think people will use it more as a portable system and for promotional purposes, than for rescue purposes. Maybe it would be better to drop graphics and multimedia apps than office and games.
graphics and multimedia make up ~30MB, office and games ~300MB :) And the adventage of the USB image would be: you can zypper in -t pattern office Greetings, Stephan -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Il martedì 1 aprile 2008, Stephan Kulow scrisse:
- we seriously think about dropping the one CD solutions and concentrate on the installable live CDs + providing a live USB stick What about a one cd installation with only an enhaced base system ? Maybe with X but without gnome/kde and big graphical software..
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Tuesday 2008-04-01 at 14:04 +0200, Stephan Kulow wrote:
[disclaimer: this status report does not contain any April Fool's joke]
- openSUSE 11.0 nears beta freeze - many features are taking care of right now, bugfixes are often delayed - factory is in pretty good shape, bootloader saw a fix :) - installation is actively been worked on, automatic configuration in second stage and image base installation should work now. - we switched to lzma payload for rpm last week - we seriously think about dropping the one CD solutions and concentrate on the installable live CDs
Provided there is still a small iso for network install...
+ providing a live USB stick
+1 and the user can add things to it later. Question: if an USB stick doesn't boot (no bios support for usb boot), would it be possible to boot it from a CD boot only image?
This would have some implications I would love to have feedback on: live cds would be i386 and x86_64, the USB stick would be a smaller system to download as compressed i386 disk image. So I would not put office and games on it, but rather some rescue tools and e.g. wireshark.
Both flavors would be nice. One for rescues, another for demos. Both kind of uses will have followers, I think. In any case, we can add things to it. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH8o7EtTMYHG2NR9URAo6vAJ9RaqQbuip9D9AQwSlFT4/jDy45uwCgkYfo DSqOFW4ZTTXtPIjOtZXGyVs= =Wb/1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. schreef:
The Tuesday 2008-04-01 at 14:04 +0200, Stephan Kulow wrote:
[disclaimer: this status report does not contain any April Fool's joke]
- openSUSE 11.0 nears beta freeze - many features are taking care of right now, bugfixes are often delayed - factory is in pretty good shape, bootloader saw a fix :) - installation is actively been worked on, automatic configuration in second stage and image base installation should work now. - we switched to lzma payload for rpm last week - we seriously think about dropping the one CD solutions and concentrate on the installable live CDs
Provided there is still a small iso for network install...
That is what i like most also, if-up and repos in it.
+ providing a live USB stick
+1
and the user can add things to it later.
Question: if an USB stick doesn't boot (no bios support for usb boot), would it be possible to boot it from a CD boot only image?
This would have some implications I would love to have feedback on: live cds would be i386 and x86_64, the USB stick would be a smaller system to download as compressed i386 disk image. So I would not put office and games on it, but rather some rescue tools and e.g. wireshark.
Both flavors would be nice. One for rescues, another for demos. Both kind of uses will have followers, I think. In any case, we can add things to it.
-- Cheers, Carlos E. R.
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[disclaimer: this status report does not contain any April Fool's joke]
- openSUSE 11.0 nears beta freeze - many features are taking care of right now, bugfixes are often delayed - factory is in pretty good shape, bootloader saw a fix :) - installation is actively been worked on, automatic configuration in second stage and image base installation should work now. - we switched to lzma payload for rpm last week - we seriously think about dropping the one CD solutions and concentrate on the installable live CDs + providing a live USB stick
Would there be some way to have a live cd work on a non-graphical system? Current installer boot disks have 'gfxboot' in the {iso|sys}linux.cfg, and after installation 'gfxmenu' is added to the grub menu.lst even on a system without a graphical display. In both cases on systems without graphics this causes the menu to NOT be displayed and the default item to always be used *IMMEDIATELY*. Right now I do a network install with a syslinux.cfg that I modify myself - removing the gfxboot item - so that I can see the menu on my non-graphical systems. It would very useful if there were someway to avoid 'gfxboot' for systems that don't have graphics.
This would have some implications I would love to have feedback on: live cds would be i386 and x86_64, the USB stick would be a smaller system to download as compressed i386 disk image. So I would not put office and games on it, but rather some rescue tools and e.g. wireshark. If someone volunteered to create a pattern for that, it would be excellent.
It would be very useful to have an x86_64 usb stick, or a script that can generate one like: mkusbstick --64 --partition= ... Thanks, Toni ------------------------------------------------------------------- Toni Harbaugh-Blackford Advanced Biomedical Computing Center (ABCC) National Cancer Institute --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On 01/04/2008, Stephan Kulow <coolo@novell.com> wrote:
- we seriously think about dropping the one CD solutions and concentrate on the installable live CDs + providing a live USB stick
This would have some implications I would love to have feedback on: live cds would be i386 and x86_64, the USB stick would be a smaller system to download as compressed i386 disk image. So I would not put office and games on it, but rather some rescue tools and e.g. wireshark. If someone volunteered to create a pattern for that, it would be excellent.
Games can be taken out, but office seems quite essential (and makes the distribution appear more complete) -- really wouldn't recommend taking that out. I take it the Live USB will also be installable? We should also think about having a [cross-distro] tool to handle the live USB creation (even if KIWI does work, perhaps we should have something friendlier?).
If the live system won't start, you think people still want to install?
In some cases.
If so, boot with 3 in the boot prompt and call yast2 live-installer after root login ;)
Would be good to have an option at the boot prompt, i.e. "Text Install", that goes straight into that. In general I totally agree about dropping the 1-CD solutions, so we can really concentrate on the live CDs. Kind thoughts, -- Francis Giannaros http://francis.giannaros.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
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