On 2023-09-04 10:04, Michal Suchánek wrote:
On Mon, Sep 04, 2023 at 08:47:19AM +0200, Richard Brown wrote:
On 2023-09-04 08:34, Michal Suchánek wrote:
With Granite not coming until 2025 and there being no plan for a Leap 15.7, there would be a high risk of having no option for Leap users for a year or two while your idea takes form, gets developed and then released
And why is there no plan for LEap 15.7?
Because of several reasons
- the general agreement of Leaps use of SLE sources was with the condition that openSUSE would always transition to the next Enterprise codebase when it exists. Now ALP is here, it exists. The fact that it exists in a different scope than previous Enterprise codebases is a fact that openSUSE needs to rise to address - this is proving hard already - making a 15.7 will just make that harder.
- the folk that SUSE contributes to make Leap are also the same folk you’ll need to make and support a 15.7. We could really use their help to build a Leap replacement. So if I were to push for a 15.7, that would mean we’d have to find even more new folk to lead, release manage, build and maintain a Leap replacement. I’d rather see the Leap pros working on a platform that has a future in the Project rather than losing them for a year or two maintaining a platform with no future.
Not really. Moving from Leap 15.6 to ALP means moving to ALP when it does not exist yet. There is a prototype but not a finished thing.
Moving from Leap 15.7 to ALP means that the new codebase to move to is available to move to.
I thought I said this clearly enough, but I'll say it very bluntly If we do for 15.7, we won't be able to rely on the SUSE-paid employees who work on Leap to help with the Leap replacement, because they'll be busy with 15.7 We don't have any extra hands from SUSE to work on this - for example, some people have suggested I'll be building the Leap replacement. I won't, my involvement here is purely as an Architect, trying to help design whatever next. Given the poll clearly shows that we're doing this with, at best, luke-warm interest from the community to contribute, we absolutely need as much SUSE-sponsored help as we can get It's my very strong opinion, based on the enthusiasm shown so far for a Leap replacement, that if I were to persuade SUSE to sponsor the work for a 15.7, that 15.7 will not just be the last Leap release, but we'll almost certainly have no replacement going forward. Maybe thats a good way forward, maybe that's where we'll end up, but I was approaching this problem with a view to having a solution that will last beyond 2026, so I don't favour this option. Regards, -- Richard Brown Distributions Architect SUSE Software Solutions Germany GmbH, Frankenstraße 146, D-90461 Nuremberg, Germany (HRB 36809, AG Nürnberg) Managing Directors/Geschäftsführer: Ivo Totev, Andrew McDonald, Werner Knoblich