Basil Chupin wrote:
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: [opensuse-offtopic] Some things for the SUSE team to pay attention to! Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2008 23:09:44 -0400 From: Fred A. Miller <fmiller@lightlink.com> Reply-To: fmiller@lightlink.com To: opensuse-offtopic <opensuse-offtopic@opensuse.org>
The following is from another elist.....honest and accurate comments. Why is Ubuntu/Kubuntu so popular? It just works.
Fred
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Does anyone here know what package I need to install to get KDE 4
> on SuSE > 10.2?
Select "gnome." That will let you skip over KDE 4 to KDE 5! ;-)
Funny...........not! ;) You'll see KDE4, "gold" release," for openSUSE 10.3 before all that long....after that, maybe 10.2. In fact, I can't say for sure that you will see it any time soon......don't know. I'd upgrade to 10.3 if I were you David.
I made a mistake, I am running 10.3. My brain is going and going these days. ;-)
Kubuntu is my main enviroment, and I love it. I'm just checking out SuSE on an extra partition to see if it would be any better than kubuntu as far as ease of use.
So far getting my wireless on my laptop working with SuSE wasn't too hard, but kubuntu is 1 click. With SuSE all the how-to's I read everyone is still suggesting using ndiswrapper which involves cleaning up all the bcmxx stuff first then hunting down the drivers to use with ndiswrapper, installing ndiswrapper and finally configuring ndiswrapper, but with kubuntu it just downloads the firmware automatically and wireless works.
I experimented with this, I found out where Kubuntu is getting that firmware and downloaded it and extracted it in /lib/firmware on SuSE and the wireless card instantly worked. Maybe SuSE should look into something like that. So far the way I see other suse users getting their bcmxx wireless working on SuSE makes me feel sorry for them. If only they knew that all they had to do was download 1 file and stick it in their firmware folder they would be set and ready to go. I wish I could tell *EVERY* bcmxx suse user about this.
Yesterday I got a new Edimax wireless stick, the modules loaded automatically, but it didn't come up. Looked in dmesg to see what the problem was and it mentioned rt73.bin firmware and where to download it from. As I had it already on another system, I scp'd it across, restarted the network and it's up and working. If I had the same problem with Ubuntu, I'd have done the same and got there also. That's how I did the first box.
Another thing is apt. Oh boy do I miss apt when working in SuSE. I know there's probably an equivilent for SuSE, like YUM or such, but I don't know how to use it as good as I do apt.
Great alternative tools are available, YaST, zypper, 1-click. Much like saying how much you miss the stuff that's in Windows or Mac.
Anyway I'm rambling on and on. Back to my original question, the reason I asked about installing KDE 4 on SuSE was to again see how easy it was to upgrade KDE on SuSE. So far the instructions on SuSE's website was only adding the repository. So I did that, no problem. The problem is that as far as I can tell, using the software installer, I still have to hunt down the KDE core packages just to get a working KDE desktop and on top of that, most people, including me have no idea which package(s) is the core package(s). I chose a few packages in yast that I thought were the core packages to get a minimal kde 4 desktop, but I don't know if they were the correct packages because I logged out and there was no entry for KDE 4, so I suspect 1 of 2 things,
1. I either didn't install the correct packages or 2. I installed the correct packages, but SuSE does not automatically put an entry in the menu on the login screen.
The first time I tried KDE4 and every time since, the KDE4 session has been available in the login menu.
If the latter is the case, I would have no clue where to even start to add a menu entry. and if I did have to manually add it, that would be another show stopper for me with SuSE. With apt, I just installed the kde4-desktop and it installed everything for a working desktop, logged out chose kde 4 and logged in. It's that simple. Is this possible with SuSE? If so, what package would that be, because I can't seem to find the kde-desktop package in YaST.
That should be no problem either, I haven't checked lately, but I think there is a 1-click install for doing so. There are some confusing things in Ubuntu when approached from a SuSE background. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Specialist, Cricket Coach Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org