On 06/04/2008, Basil Chupin <blchupin@tpg.com.au> wrote:
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: [opensuse-offtopic] Some things for the SUSE team to pay attention to! Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2008 23:09:44 -0400 From: Fred A. Miller <fmiller@lightlink.com> Reply-To: fmiller@lightlink.com To: opensuse-offtopic <opensuse-offtopic@opensuse.org>
The following is from another elist.....honest and accurate comments. Why is Ubuntu/Kubuntu so popular? It just works.
Fred
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Does anyone here know what package I need to install to get KDE 4
> on SuSE > 10.2?
Select "gnome." That will let you skip over KDE 4 to KDE 5! ;-)
Funny...........not! ;) You'll see KDE4, "gold" release," for
openSUSE
10.3 before all that long....after that, maybe 10.2. In fact, I can't say for sure that you will see it any time soon......don't know. I'd upgrade to 10.3 if I were you David.
I made a mistake, I am running 10.3. My brain is going and going these days. ;-)
Kubuntu is my main enviroment, and I love it. I'm just checking out SuSE on an extra partition to see if it would be any better than kubuntu as far as ease of use.
So far getting my wireless on my laptop working with SuSE wasn't too hard, but kubuntu is 1 click. With SuSE all the how-to's I read everyone is still suggesting using ndiswrapper which involves cleaning up all the bcmxx stuff first then hunting down the drivers to use with ndiswrapper, installing ndiswrapper and finally configuring ndiswrapper, but with kubuntu it just downloads the firmware automatically and wireless works.
I experimented with this, I found out where Kubuntu is getting that firmware and downloaded it and extracted it in /lib/firmware on SuSE and the wireless card instantly worked. Maybe SuSE should look into something like that. So far the way I see other suse users getting their bcmxx wireless working on SuSE makes me feel sorry for them. If only they knew that all they had to do was download 1 file and stick it in their firmware folder they would be set and ready to go. I wish I could tell *EVERY* bcmxx suse user about this.
I helped someone set one of these cards up on IRC this week, just a matter of installing http://packman.links2linux.de/package/bcm43xx-firmware . The firmware can't be distributed by suse for legal reasons. Presumably even on kubuntu one needs to know to install the appropriate firmware package, or does it suggest it automatically?
Another thing is apt. Oh boy do I miss apt when working in SuSE. I know there's probably an equivilent for SuSE, like YUM or such, but I don't know how to use it as good as I do apt.
Anyway I'm rambling on and on. Back to my original question, the reason I asked about installing KDE 4 on SuSE was to again see how easy it was to upgrade KDE on SuSE. So far the instructions on SuSE's website was only adding the repository. So I did that, no problem. The problem is that as far as I can tell, using the software installer, I still have to hunt down the KDE core packages just to get a working KDE desktop and on top of that, most people, including me have no idea which package(s) is the core package(s). I chose a few packages in yast that I thought were the core packages to get a minimal kde 4 desktop, but I don't know if they were the correct packages because I logged out and there was no entry for KDE 4, so I suspect 1 of 2 things,
1. I either didn't install the correct packages or 2. I installed the correct packages, but SuSE does not automatically put an entry in the menu on the login screen.
If the latter is the case, I would have no clue where to even start to add a menu entry. and if I did have to manually add it, that would be another show stopper for me with SuSE. With apt, I just installed the kde4-desktop and it installed everything for a working desktop, logged out chose kde 4 and logged in. It's that simple. Is this possible with SuSE? If so, what package would that be, because I can't seem to find the kde-desktop package in YaST.
You can install the kde4_basis pattern with yast or zypper, or "KDE 4.0 Basis" using the buildservice kde repository. I don't see how this is a suse problem because you knew what the name of the metapackage was on kubuntu, you looked harder on kubuntu. There's also the one click install on http://en.opensuse.org/KDE4 . Either method adds kde4 to the login page. Somehow this person knew to install "kde4-desktop" in kubuntu instinctively, but did not bother to look at either the kde wiki page, ask on IRC, or ask on the mailing list as to what the equivalent is on openSUSE? -- Benjamin Weber --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org