Am Samstag, 29. Februar 2020, 16:22:01 CET schrieb Frans de Boer:
On 2020-02-29 16:01, Marcus Meissner wrote:
On Sat, Feb 29, 2020 at 02:00:37PM +0100, Frans de Boer wrote:
LS,
Just installed the beta version of leap15.2, just to see if there is anything too upgrade for. Nope, just a new kernel and may some other new or updated packages, but even glibc stays ancient, just as many other packages. Thus keeping leap15.2 as slow as leap15.1 which is 4 times slower then TW for mathematics due to the ancient glibc library and possible the very ancient gcc tool set.
But, maybe I am pessimistic and can someone correct me?
It sounds like you would be more happy with Tumbleweeds bleeding edge?
Ciao, Marcus
Very much more happy. I just don't understand why so much effort is made - or in my view energy wasted - to make a "new" distribution, based on years of old/ancient (core) packages. I, however, can understand that one would take a snapshot of TW and iron out some bugs and let that live for some time. That sounds more productive then reverting to 3-4 years old packages.
The thing is, I do like to have a stable distribution in case TW sometimes misfired. But using a distro which uses 3-4- years old packages - and after 8 months being even 4-5 years or more - can only be used as a last resort.
I beg to differ, Frans, efforts in openSUSE are relatively good managed, with a low waste factor. I'm a TW lover, and push it even to some of my customer's desktops/notebooks (those, who can deal with strong moving targets, and want to use Linux in the first place). OTOH, Leap is *perfect* for servers, and that other part of users, that still wants to use a sane OS. Nobody wants to deal with the upgrade fallout in complex setups (file, mail, dns, dhcp, ldap, smb, databases, vpn, telephony, obs, just to name a few) on a *regular* base, but use a stable *and* supported base system. And that's, where Leap excels. Even release upgrades are mostly smooth, and just a little sed'ing and one zyp away. Leap offers stability and minimum fuzz with upgrades and the like, thanks to the shared base with SLE (keeping essential elements stable and supported), while TW offers the latest and greatest, while putting *a lot of* effort into testing. And thanks to OBS, we have a release collaboration tool with a pretty low friction level. You can roll your own distribution, and (re-)package everything, that you don't like. glibc is a little exception of course, since adapting Leap to a new glibc, while possible, is not sensible. It will result in a new distribution, where you're on your own, and raging bitrot is no fun (been there, done that..). If you need a new glibc, fine, use TW. And get everything else for free (current kernel, other libs, MESA, DEs just to name a few). Any hiccups are usually a matter of days to get fixed, but the base is stable and sound. Hence, from my point of view, this distribution is targeted on real use cases, and does that very well. There are areas, that deserve improvements, but overall, the offerings from this project are on a very high quality level.. While the openSUSE project wasn't always positioned luckily in the past, it is in a very good shape as of now, with a firm standing, and sane prospects over all (and compared to others). Cheers, Pete -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org