* Stefan Seyfried <stefan.seyfried@googlemail.com> [2013-01-23 10:46]:
Hi all,
Am 17.01.2013 00:45, schrieb Jiri Slaby:
Hehe, not at all. I bet I was the first one to use systemd in opensuse regularly.
Same here. Maybe not the first one, but in general I consider myself "systemd-friendly" and like the general idea and impelementation.
What I do is complaining and whining here, yes, but not when things change, but when they *break* on a regular basis.
Yes, the problem is the attitue: "we break everything for everyone and have them fix up after us".
None of the desktops was really broken wrt. powerbutton and suspendkey handling. Maybe the console was if not configured via acpid, but the desktops all worked.
Now they fixed the console case and in the same instant broke all the desktops. The desktops now suddenly need to change the previously working things to accomodate the changes in systemd defaults.
That's an attitude that I strongly dislike.
So for my packages, the possibility is high that if a systemd update breaks them and makes me hunt for fixes, I'll silently abandon or plain droprequest them because this really takes all the fun out of packaging etc if some guys are actively sabotaging everybody else araound.
Part of that responsibility for breakage also lies within openSUSE, this is configurable and could easily be changed back to the default setting acpid had. The only advantage of the change in defaults is that now laptops without a desktop environment installed will suspend/hibenate if you press the corresponding keys/use the lidswitch. On the other hand desktop environments (including GNOME) in openSUSE which previously handled this and continue to handle this currently have to be patched because the necessary changes are not upstream or in a release yet. -- Guido Berhoerster -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org