On 01/07/2019 02:45, Michal Kubecek wrote:
On Sun, Jun 30, 2019 at 04:55:03PM +0930, Simon Lees wrote:
On 28/06/2019 19:21, Michal Kubecek wrote:
I have to fully support what Hans-Peter wrote: this mindless bot driven management drives maintainers and potential maintainers away from the distribution. It's not only Stefan, I know other people, including SUSE employees who tell me "I'm perfectly happy maintaining the package in my home project but I don't have time and patience for the bureaucracy and constant pestering I would face if I submitted it to Factory. I would love to tell them things are not that bad - but unfortunately I can't.
Maybe there is a few people in SUSE that feel this way, and do this with there personal projects in there spare time, but everything that SUSE employees do on SUSE's time should be making its way into factory as per SUSE's open source policy.
Well, I wasn't talking about some people's interpretation of certain vaguely formulated policies, I was talking about what things are like in real life. And I tried to tell you what is the real life fallout of some of the policies you advocate for so strongly. It's good to see that you understand there is a problem; but what makes me sad is that you took it from the wrong end again. Rather that thinking about what Factory maintainers could change so that they would not drive potential (and real) packagers away from Factory, your first thought is "Hey, they should not do that on company time!" Disappointing...
Well that's not what I was trying to do I was more trying to point out that while what you describe might happen in parts of SUSE its not what SUSE is doing in most places and what SUSE as a company is encouraging its employees to do.
So if I package, say, Google's packetdrill for openSUSE and SLE so that I and other people can use it for our work but do not feel like going through the ordeal of getting it to Factory and keeping it there, I'm the bad guy. If I didn't do anything, everything would be much better. Is that really what you wanted to say?
I will disagree that it is an ordeal into getting something into factory, other then the wait on legal reviews I don't tend to have issues at most fixing stuff to be correct generally takes me 5 minutes, maybe that's just because I do it so often that I naturally write packages that comply with our rules, or maybe the kinds of packages I write are different and therefore don't have the same issues. If you have examples of "bureaucracy" that you think could be reduced or removed this list is the place to discuss them, although this thread was about a bot blocking a certain style rather then causing someone significantly more effort. -- Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek SUSE Linux Adelaide Australia, UTC+10:30 GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org