On Tuesday, September 04, 2012 23:37:20 Joachim Schrod wrote:
Andreas Jaeger wrote:
As far as I know, there's still no integrated solution to the vmware status reporting case (which is incidentally equivalent to a few services I run). Upstream's unwillingness to provide such a simple facility is quite misterious.
What exactly is the vmware status reporting case? Please show an example...
I assume it's the systemd assumption that a service is a running daemon and that the status can be checked by checking on that daemon.
Whereas, the status (and the shutdown) of a virtual machine service means to locate all running VMs and trigger them to shut down. For several VM products, there *is* no controlling process for the VMs. There are several other use cases that have similar properties.
That was an issue in 12.1, don't (yet) know if this assumption changed in 12.2.
I don't know either - and Frederic who's the expert is still on vacation. I'll point this email out to him so that he can followup later on it. This needs handling somehow.
The systemd proponents on this list responded "then this is no service". The systemv proponents told them "but it was before". Several small shouting wars started. (Well, not a real flamewar, not like the r.a.sf-lovers split, back in 1991. :-))
When some people (me included) brought that issue up for 12.1, we got shut down -- in particular, I was flamed several times by Christian Rodriguez with him _never_ answering the actual technical question how to approach a solution for this problem.
For me the most frustrating problem was: I don't know if that behavior is just related to local openSUSE folks, or it is shared upstream, too. If it's the latter, it's troubling. If it's the former, I can ignore them and it's no problem.
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