On Wed, 01 May 2013 11:10:32 +0200 Stefan Seyfried <stefan.seyfried@googlemail.com> wrote:
With traditional logging, a few bytes of garbage in the logfile will be exactly that: a few bytes of garbage. Nobody will care. I can still extract everything.
Nobody will care only if log presence is important only to troubleshoot technical problems, but usually it will raise a flag about possibility that someone else fiddled with logs, which is not a good sign. I looked for more debugging information in journal (12.2), so when I stumbled over missing entries before certain time, I spent some time looking at the system using Live USB. Why? Because I wasn't sure what happened. Problem with logging can be a bug (which is harmless), or sign that somebody cracked the system. I found out that journal had 2 log files covering all the time from installation to present, but it was ignoring presence of older file and nothing will tell me that there is another log. This is probably yet another not implemented functionality, at least in 12.2. What is annoying from my prospective is that almost everyone is learning systemd and journal and udev (and hopefully nothing more), and availability of user to user help is sparse at best. When you are stuck with a problem, you are on your own most of the time, which grants days of fun, for those that have no other ways to have it. When you have problem with 12.2, which has older version of systemd and journald, you are on your own as those that know the best (Frederic and Cristian) have very little interest to help with stuff that is solved in a newer version, and on the other side, there is no new systemd port to 12.2. Frederic mentioned that changes are too intrusive to create port, which tells me that two systemd versions are not backwards compatible and he will have to spend too much time redesigning 12.2. While I like to solve technical puzzles, amount that is now pushed on users like me is overwhelming and I look for other areas that need help to contribute to openSUSE for time being, ie. until number of changes in certain time frame subside. -- Regards, Rajko. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org