I just looked at http://en.opensuse.org/Patterns I don't see much going on there. Does this mean that this is the final proposal? I have added some, that I felt were missing. Even if they are not selected, I hope to keep the discussion going and we can't afford to get it wrong. The main thing I did was add some graphical enviroments (including CLI) and add office and games. The thing I miss most is 'normal' programs for the end-user. Also would it not be easier to use the current package groups as a start and then go from there? e.g. when I look at just games, I see: Amusement |--Games | |--3D | | |--Other | | |--Race | | `-- ... | |--Action | | |--Arcade | | `--.... | |--Board | `--... `--Toys |--Background `--... Seems like an awefull good place to start. This has been made over the years and I would think it to be a pity to just throw the knowledge away. Also realize that many people who use SUSE for years know where to look, so even if it is not going to be the main pattern, it would be nice to have a pattern "Ye Olde S.u.S.E. way" that contained the familiar groups people know. -- houghi http://houghi.org Personally, I think most sports fans are a little "gay". They'd rather watch a bunch of sweaty guys jumping all over eachother, than, say fashion TV - where hot models walk down the runway. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory-help@opensuse.org