On Mon, May 31, 2021 at 02:32:57PM +0200, Richard Brown wrote:
On Mon, 2021-05-31 at 14:25 +0200, Michal Suchánek wrote:
I think that openSUSE organization is an organization to organize things. Apparently the move to libera went through at least a couple steering groups without anybody asking what are the options at hand and what are the respecitve advantages and disadvantages so that involved people can make an informed decision and communicate the rationale rather than act at random and document the events after the fact.
Um what organisation are you talking about?
openSUSE as an organisation is a famous/notorious for having a "Those who do, decide" mentality and a long history of empowering its contributors.
There is even significant documentation, official [1] and unofficial [2] to that fact that openSUSE does not have steering groups. Period.
We actively advertise ourself as a project as that does not "have technical steering groups or other people who tell us what to do"
how can you possibly be surprised that our contributors didn't wait for the consent of steering groups?
What phantom steering groups would you expect contributors to wait for before setting up or moving to a new communication platform?
There is nothing stopping people from discussing openSUSE on any platform at any time. However, registering the openSUSE project with the libera.chat platform is something that has to be done officially. Updating openSUSE documentation which lists the communication channels is also centrally made decision to some extent. When such change is brought up with groups like openSUSE Board or relase meeting or whatever it would be good idea to ask why libera is chosen as successor to freenode so that the announcement can read We have moved from freenode to libera because ... rather than We have moved from freenode to libera. I realize that the reason for moving away from freenode is quite clear but the reason why libera was chosen is not communicated. Maybe there is one that is not shared, maybe nobody thought about it at all, who knows? That sounds like the actions of the Board are either thoughtless or non-transperant neither of which sounds particularly appealing. Thanks Michal