On Wed, 2008-02-27 at 21:37 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote:
Vincent, the author of the page, asked me to clarify that what he wrote are his opinions. Of course it's the same for what I write. :-)
Note that I only wrote the bottom part of the page, everything else is relating Rodrigo's experience, I believe.
yes, they are mine
sudo should be used by default for a desktop install. It doesn't make any sense to have the root account. There's an option "Use the same password for root as the one used for the user" in the installer, but it's not about sudo, I believe.
Thanks for pointing this out. I was myself a sudo supporter, but someone with more technical experience than me explained to me that sudo is not the right way to follow for various security/conceptual reasons, and I agree. In the end, UNIX has root, and the users should learn to manage it. It doesn't add complexity if properly explained.
I disagree with the fact that people should have to learn about root. It makes things more complex for an average desktop user. I know sudo is not perfect (and PolicyKit will help solve the whole issue in a good way), but it's good enough in the very short term for desktop users. Anyway, that's a minor point and it's not the most important one.
yes, the way sudo is used in ubuntu makes it very easy for users to manage the system without having to know "who that root user is". Of course, if Policy Kit fixes it better, we should use it, as long as it makes it easy for desktop users to manage their systems, which is what ununtu does with sudo
the menu bar is completely unusable in openSUSE: icons are too big (distro patch), and there are tons of submenus (because we use the same menu config as KDE?)
I think it's related to the idea of offering a comparable choice of applications to the users on both DE.
Well, it's not about the applications, really. It's just the way the menu is organized. I need to look at which .menu file is used to understand why it's done this way.
yes, the plain menu bar looks horrible compared to the upstream one. Most people use main-menu, I guess that's why not many people complained about it
with only a very short look, I saw many not-updated-to-the-latest-versions packages: yelp, totem, epiphany, rhythmbox for example.
This is SUSE policy. The released version is not upgraded until the next release. I usually agree with it, because it's thought to grant stability, but I think it was used in the wrong way sometime, not providing updates when features were lacking (for 10.3, read: anjuta, gedit with python support, ...).
The policy you're talking about is about the stable openSUSE. Using factory, I have a more than one-year old yelp, for example.
this (yelp old version) was, IIRC, because of the non-working rarian, so we're using an old version in the pre-rarian times. Not sure what the problems were, so we might still be having to ship that old yelp :(
Ubuntu is quite good at uploading new packages as soon as upstream releases (at least, for GNOME). This is really great for a developer like me.
I agree. But I don't want to think to continuous updates to the released version ;-)
Vincent means, IIRC, the factory version, which is getting updates every minute, that we all need to test -- Rodrigo Moya <rodrigo@novell.com>
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