On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 05:31:37AM -0300, Claudio Freire wrote:
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 5:28 AM, Dr. Werner Fink <werner@suse.de> wrote:
On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 7:55 PM, Kyrill Detinov <lazy.kent@opensuse.org> wrote:
I've just found that the systemd package includes 369 files (381 already, while writing this message). I'm shocked. openSUSE applied 300+ patches??? Is systemd good and stable for openSUSE? It seems, NO.
I see, every systemd commit to Factory is ~ +10 patches. What's the hell systemd is good for openSUSE? Looking at Fedora? No Fedora way, please. We are openSUSE.
That's openSUSE supporting systemd through patches. Since systemd is in such a horrible state, openSUSE has to fix tons of stuff, and it has. I've seen the improvement in stability at least in my setups. Those patches will eventually be part of systemd, because openSUSE has folks that persevere in trying to convince their developers of the need for them. I think that must be applauded.
Sorry but this is simply not true. Most of the patches *are* part of the current upstream version! You may have a look into the patch collection and read the git headers.
What is not true? (there are many assertions in the quoted paragraph)
Simply to count patches without looking into the patches systemd> grep -E '^(From|Based on) ' *.patch | wc -l 286 which are 99.9% upstream, including our own upstream submits which afterwards are included as upstream backports. Some of our own patches are adopted but not backported as those would require an version update.
I never quantified how many were backports and how many were fixes, and will accept the previous post numbers, but I know from following the list and using the distribution that lots of thing have been fixed since the first systemd-enabled release, and lots of those fixes were pushed by openSUSE contributions.
So, to which are you referring there as false? Is openSUSE not contributing as much as I say? Does everything come from upstream? Or does upstream refuse everything perhaps?
They do not refuse everything. They are very carefully and as described in an other mail in the same thhread they accept or adopt patches as well as sometime refuse patches. And sometimes they are a bit scary about changes like here https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=82004 Werner -- Dr. Werner Fink -- Software Engineer Consultant SuSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstrasse 5, Nuernberg, Germany GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 21284 (AG Nuernberg) phone: +49-911-740-53-0, fax: +49-911-3206727, www.opensuse.org ------------------------------------------------------------------ "Having a smoking section in a restaurant is like having a peeing section in a swimming pool." -- Edward Burr