Please, don't force us to upgrade to Plasma 5.3, it isn't ready for production environment, it lacks fundamental abilities like session management: with the Plasma desktop 4 when you close your session the position, size, virtual desktop location of any open app is saved and restored when you reopen the session. The same works for many kde apps like konsole, kate, konqueror, and so on: the internal tabs are stored and restored when you reopen the session. On Plasma 5.3 this doesn't work! See this bug reports: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341930 https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=346768 And read what Thomas Lübking write: /"It's not the same bug, but related - session management somewhat "largely" changed and was not or not sufficiently ported (I ran pretty much through the code yesterday and then figured that for some reason the sessionKey() changes _very_ early during the application start, so right now kwin reloads the "wrong" session config. Got to figure where it changes tonight ;-) So please notice that even if (optimitically: when) this bug closes, *t**hat does NOT mean session management in KF5 apps would completely work as it does in KDE SC4*. I assume the vast majority of clients needs to be ported by hand (ie. eg. konsole is oc. responsible for managign its tab layout, this is nothing the WM could even possibly do)"/ Plasma 5.3 still has very few plasmoid ported, many are missing, it's in an unfinished state. I started using KDE before 1.0 (when the K was for kool) and the situation now is worse than in the transition from KDE 3 to KDE 4. I was using KUbuntu but with 15.4 they upgraded to Plasma 5.2 and my beautiful desktop was gone. Now I'm appreciating the solidity of openSuse but please don't force us to upgrade yet! Please wait some other months, Plasma 5.4 will be more stable, more complete and usable than 5.3 Alessandro Russo came from Kubuntu, they Il 03/05/2015 20:41, Luca Beltrame ha scritto:
Achim Gratz wrote:
Here on this list, all I'm trying to discuss is the transition plan (or lack thereof) from KDE 4.x to Plasma5. If you want to continue that We had plenty of mails on the transition plan. There were both sent on opensuse-kde and opensuse-factory. There is no such thing as "lack thereof". We've been working for this way before this was announced, often testing stuff ourselves (and yes, sometimes breaking our desktops, too).
I see however that it was all a waste of my and the other team members' time.
The Plasma5 update you are planning to do is redefining Tumbleweed Why? It is an officially supported upstream, stable release.
I don't know about you, but the potential havoc does decrease the appeal of TW by several notches for me. If you continue to want real-world users on TW you need to mitigate some of these concerns. That's why we waited for 3 full releases from upstream, testing stuff, fixing stuff ourselves if it was within our reach, polishing package updates, etc over the past 9 months. We didn't sit idly and then say "lo and behold, thou shalt use Plasma 5" all of a sudden.
This was precisely to address "concerns", to ensure that the result was of acceptable quality for the distribution (see the evaluation mails on opensuse-kde), to ensure that openQA tests ran on it (maxlin did a great job with those) and passed properly. We also tested (as best as we could) package updates, obsoletes, etc...
We engaged with the upstream community to ensure that what we were bringing to Tumbleweed was good enough, filing reports and poking developers if need be (I can recall several occasions where I nagged Plasma team members to fix multiscreen issues), and also watching on responses from the userbase (doing user support on the official KDE forums helped me to check on the responses from other distros, too).
Does this mean that the transition will be perfect? Absolutely not. But we tried, the best we could, to do our homework, because we wanted to give the best transition possible to TW users.
And that is exactly why I find the tone of some messages (here and otherwise) full of stop energy (but that is not something confined to KDE... I've seen this also in other areas of the openSUSE community, but this is not the right thread nor the right ML for it).
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