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IMO, Tumbleweed is for experts :-)
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Carlos E. R.
No it's not. I'm running it successfully and am far from an expert. Yes. It's for experienced users snip
Steven
Thank you very much Carlos, Dimstar, Dsant, Jim, Jimmy, Ken, Lars, Richard, Roman, Steven for your inputs. Summary ########## The above is valid: TW in its current form is for experts / experienced users / users following this list. That is exactly why I started this discussion: subject: "A users wishlist to make zypper up/dup & suse noob-friendly" See? I said implicitly that zypper is too complicated and my wish is, that it - or another update mechanism - would make TW beginner-friendly. And most of the improvements could also work for Leap, but that would be a side-effect. Results ########### a) on installation user opt-in to packman-repo => legaly not possible, however one suggestion was not yet commented: "There could be a supplementary screen : * If you live in US click here (open-sources repositories, DMCA ok...). * If you live in UK/Germany/Europe... click here (Packman repository added) [...] Dsant" b) default to packman priority 98 & auto vendor change => implementation possible through .repo parameter priority, but concerns about a race of lowest priorities & untested packages & not needing the whole repo. => solutions: - the noob does not know which subset of packman he needs to get multimedia working, thus just do the vendor change per default. - implement openQA also for packman to test & thus to allow automatical vendor change for this one repo only. - there is no race for lowest priority if only one repo==packman gets the 98 priority as the default. Can we agree that packman is the most important user repo of openSUSE so that it should be treated special? c) after adding packman do auto zypper dup or up with vendor change once: PackageKit / Apper cannot handle conflicts and thus is not supported in TW. => solutions: 1) enhance Apper to handle conflicts 2) automatizing zypper: noobs cannot use cron, nor command line / yast-gui, nor can they decide between "no / vendor change", "up / dup" => further comments: A users confirmation to install the automatically proposed update is desired, agreed. A password will be needed for new software only, as this is already the way PackageKit/Apper & Win7 (just tested) are doing it from user accounts. d) install recommends only once during installation as default, so that uninstalled apps do not come back => so far +1 for this e) I would update the whole wiki with the changes Thank you, thomas -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org