Here comes my view: At this point users will be confused. And that is not so weird. When I only look at how ZEN is fragmented: ZEN-remover ZEN-updater ZEN-installer Why in Earth aren't these together? It similar with having a Calculator with: the components: Calculate Decrease Calculate Increase Calculate Round =========================================== YaST2 was/is almost perfect. You can start the center: install, remove, update. It is a solid center for the packagemanagement. The only thing it misses is the patches that is handled by YOU/Watcher. We have to choose one solution. If we want ZEN (and it is bugfixed) we have to make a YaST2/ZEN combination. One center that does everything based on the options it gets. We have to combine the best of both worlds. YaST2 works fenomenal with searching thru information, selection on source and more. ZEN must not replace, but extend YaST2 in my opinion. For consolemode I recommend using rug and y2pmsh (second it more relaxed if you want to do a lot). And of course we just need to have yast like it is now. ======================================= Here comes my plan: - Combo Yast2/Zen (under Yast2) handles all GUI-package/patches-management. - rug and y2pmsh (rugsh) for CLI (replaces rpm) - yast ncurse - repodata will have to be downloaded once in total and after that only update-parts. (maybe some sort of system like in p2p that can download chunks of a total-file. Don't know if that is possible). - update check only haves to see the filesize then, to see if there are updates in that repo. That is a _lot_ faster I guess. - Maybe a sensor would be nice. If the user need CPU/Memory then the progress will pause/low prio. If the user is gonna work in Kwrite it can take some CPU/mMemory to do the parsing and stuff. -If you select a package and click 'Install this', YaST must know is just have to install without showing the big window. Just a little progressbar with a detail-tab would be nice (and it must be tray-able). - Patches/updates exactly the same. The icon in the tray gives a proper color of majority (just like Watcher did), you click, windows displays some options, update/patch all, done. =========================================== Yast2-center has to be cleaned. That is not a problem cause Yast is going to take over Patches also ;-) and some other things fit well under 1 name. - Software Management includes: install, remove, update, patch - Installation Sources Add-On product will be included as well as Patch CD. CD-check will be an option here. Does not make any sense to have it all separated. - Setup Online Update includes also Novell Customers bla bla... - Upgrade Suse-version ------ dropped - Installation in a Directory: What? dump it somewhere only the experts can find it. Back to the basic. Back to the roots from Joe Avarage who does not understand/use a lot of options. If someone has a better way of ordering this please tell us.... Azerion