Am 11.08.2014 um 10:04 schrieb Tomáš Chvátal:
Dne Po 11. srpna 2014 08:16:12, Stefan Seyfried napsal(a):
Am 11.08.2014 um 07:53 schrieb Michal Kubecek:
On Sunday 10 of August 2014 06:25:01 Robert Schweikert wrote:
Well, we have the best tool in the world to work on alternatives and/or derivative distributions, OBS. I have not seen anyone step up and do the work necessary. However, I do have to admit that I am certainly not aware of every project in OBS.
Apparently you haven't tried that. If you did (as I did), you would find how many subtle - and sometimes not so subtle - changes have been done to packages not related to systemd at all which were not needed for systemd but only break non-systemd systems. In some cases, just build a package of "wrong" name gives you a hard error from OBS checks...
Or actually "factory-maintainers" -- a bunch of people apparently who have decided they better maintain "my" project than I do -- accept submissions against "my" packages, which remove non-systemd stuff, which I kept in on purpose.
Which leads to me actually mostly abandoning the vdr project right now.
OT: can I just remove the factory-maintainers from the vdr project? I certainly have not added them, so removing them would most likely be futile...
Factory maintainers team work based on maitainers inactivity.
It's summer holiday time here in europe, and one week is barely inactivity.
You can avoid them doing any work just by reviewing SR#s or stating there that they need to be redone in comment section.
Usually the changes are reviewed if they are >1 week older without any activity. In the review we only care for merging patches that work on openSUSE:Factory and to extend if it works for supported openSUSE which are 12.3+ (so systemd only).
It does not help if the systemd-only version does no longer read the old config files. That's why I had the option to install the old init script (which works fine with systemd, at least that's what everyone was told when systemd was implemented).
The blame for having merged SR#s you didn't want is only for you. We simply don't want people to sit and wait for 1 month + without any activity on their patches. It is severly demotivating. And we still have such as for some areas it is simply not obvious and maintainer does not care...
It is at least as demotivating if submit requests from persons whose bugs in packages all over the distribution when they were adding systemd stuff in ways that was plain wrong and did not work at all and was clearly completely untested are accepted bypassing the one active maintainer who is actually using the package. I strongly object people to "fix" packages which are *not broken* and which they are most likely (or sometimes obviously) not using. Especialy very complex pieces of stuff like vdr. And this comment of the change log is plain wrong: +- Add backward symlink +- Provide and obsolete vdr-runvdr; the transition should be easier because now nobody is reading the settings from sysconfig/vdr. Fixing this is HARD. This is why I had not done this before, and why i kept the old init script instead. Just removing the working stuff and replacing it with broken stuff is easy. I could have done this from the start, it would have been easier. This is what I often see as the "systemd attitude": "look, I broke it, too bad, you have to fix it". It will be interesting to see who'll fix the bugzillas for that. Probably they will be "please check if this is still present in the current release" after 3 years and then be "resolved noresponse", because of course the reporter has moved on to somewhere where the maintainer cares.
And no you can't remove them from your project :)
Ok, so be it. -- Stefan Seyfried "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled." -- Richard Feynman -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org