Sven Burmeister <sven.burmeister@gmx.net> writes:
Am Mittwoch, 28. Dezember 2011, 02:33:56 schrieb Joachim Schrod:
I don't know what Sebastian expects -- I would have had expected an attitude that doesn't call for removal of sysvinit while there are such bugs, directly after a release that didn't even had a working postfix.
Are you sure there were never bugs in an openSUSE release that caused services not to start? According to your logic any of those would have indicated that systemv is utterly broken and must not be shipped as default.
The RFC is for the next release. I do not see how starting it later would be any better regarding pointing out bugs and fixing them. In fact, if the testing of systemd would have got the attention from those complaining now at this stage and during the development cycle of the 12.1 release a lot more bugs would have been fixed already.
Well personally I was under the impression that 12.1 is fit for production use, only to find out it isn't, or to be less polemic, only to advise my risk managers that *I* think it isn't. I, as a user, certainly can't be asked to continuously assess everything that happens during the development cycle. I was instead assuming that the opensuse developers took a look at the upstream bug situation and tried some of those scenarios themselves, at least the not-too-specific ones.
I also wouldn't have had expected an attitude that uses the question "where are the bug numbers?" to squash discussion, and then complains when there are bug numbers cited. Especially when the complaints include wrong assertions. (That Sebastian opened one of those bugs last week doesn't imply that all of his bugs are from last week.)
It does imply that if bugs are not reported they cannot get fixed. And it does imply that reporting bugs just before Christmas holidays will unlikely lead to them getting fixed within a week on the openSUSE part. Sounds reasonable to me.
So what's the official policy here? Do you want all the bugs from the upstream tracker that apply to opensuse in the novell tracker? Sebastian -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org