* Simon Lees <sflees@suse.de> [06-28-22 21:06]:
On 6/29/22 06:10, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Richard Brown <rbrown@suse.de> [06-28-22 16:02]:
On 2022-06-28 13:56, Axel Braun wrote:
Proof me wrong, but I feel the community is not eager for a cosmetic update to a system, that contains various base packages that are end-of-lifecycle, and by this cant deliver the applications one wants to use.
Proving you wrong is somewhat easy
We’ve been here before
The openSUSE regular release died due to lack of contributions
While the numbers of USERS of Leap are very good, the number of CONTRIBUTORS to Leap have not
And that is how we ended up in the spot - if Leap had the contributors to do what you want, we’d have done it during Leap 42 and earlier 15 releases
Leap was initially intended as a codebase which could be shaped by contributions
But, the community failed to contribute, hence SUSE having more and more influence on the Leap codebase, ultimately leading to where we are today.
I see no evidence yet of a large contributor base waiting in the wings to prove me wrong
Last time we had contributors proving me wrong on a topic like this was the Evergreen LTS effort.
They shows up, even if it did also require an addition effort by SUSE (an effort I wouldn’t expect this time).
Regardless, Evergreen it ultimately died because Leap solved all the problems for the handful of contributors doing that work.. which leads to the suggestion that an idea like this is really only viable if we’re talking about dozens of contributors willing to commit to doing the work for several years
For the record, I am not.
you are also incorrect about Evergreen as while it is no longer called Evergreen, it very much survives admirably as Tumbleweed. guess contributors have proven you wrong again.
I'm not sure how you can consider Tumbleweed as a rolling release distro a successor to Evergreen which was about bringing long term support to existing openSUSE releases. In practically every way these to concepts are the opposite of each other the only way they are similar is they both receive significant community contributions
I was there and Evergreen was considered a very long term, constantly updated,"rolling" release which morphed into Tumbleweed. and I used Evergreen. tks Greg Kroah-Hartman. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet oftc