On Tue, Aug 03, 2010 at 10:08:39AM +0200, Stephan Kulow wrote:
Am Montag 02 August 2010 schrieb Greg Freemyer:
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 5:41 AM, Stephan Kulow <coolo@novell.com> wrote:
Am Montag 02 August 2010 schrieb madworm_de.novell@spitzenpfeil.org:
On 02.08.2010 10:43, Stephan Kulow wrote:
There is really no feedback or suggestions? Come on guys, when the last RC is released, everyone wants to be release manager, but now I'm alone again?
Greetings, Stephan
From an end-user point of view, it would be nice if the closed source graphics drivers packages could be pushed to their repositories/vendor sites upon release, not 2 weeks after that. It doesn't have to be the latest cutting edge version, but one that provenly works and gets the system up and running.
That highly depends on having maintainers for those.
But doesn't it also depend on the allowed calendar time?
The building of external repos other than packman doesn't appear to start prior to GM being nailed in OBS.
For 11.3, it took about 3 weeks after GM in OBS for the nvidia external repo to get the latest nvidia driver compiled against 11.3.
That's a nice theory, but I have another one: it took 2 weeks after formal release to update the nvidia repos.
That's just wrong. 11.3 has been released on July 15th. July 16th-18th I joined Novell's outdoor event near Prague. July 19th I could prepare the packages, which then were online I believe on July 20th. NVIDIA is pretty fast with that. Remember NVIDIA is *not* ATI/AMD! I never prepared the NVIDIA/ATI packages before release since what usually happens is that kABI still changes for GM/final release. Which is fatal for KMPs as you know for sure.
The time between GM and release should be short, because at that time we're 100% frozen and everyone has to stand still. I don't want to have a whole project stand still just because the maintainers of the nivida binary repos aren't able to compile the drivers for RC1.
You can make sure that kABI doesn't change between RC1 and GM? We even didn't manage that for our latest SLES product! For openSUSE just forget about that!
I'm using nouveau just fine
Bugzilla is full of nouveau driver bugs. Many of these can be workarounded by using 'nomodeset'. These are already closed. But then you basically rely again on the nvidia driver.
and my prediction is that nvidia binary only drivers are even less a factor for 11.4 release.
Hopefully. We'll see. CU, Stefan Public Key available ------------------------------------------------------ Stefan Dirsch (Res. & Dev.) SUSE LINUX Products GmbH Tel: 0911-740 53 0 Maxfeldstraße 5 FAX: 0911-740 53 479 D-90409 Nürnberg http://www.suse.de Germany ----------------------------------------------------------------- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) ----------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org