A few things I'd like to clear up 1) This is a decision by Coolo and other contributors involved in releasing openSUSE, not 'SUSE' 2) Therefore, if other contributors feel there is a need to continue making a 32-bit version of Leap, then they can do it 3) That said, Michal and others are making very good practical points why a 32-bit version makes little sense. So far, most of the arguments for keeping a 32-bit version seem to believe running 32-bit in some scenarios has greater benefits than they do in reality. 4) The number of users of 32-bit openSUSE has been declining since as far back as our records can show. Even the 13.2 release which saw an almighty increase in total downloads, all of this growth was in 64-bit users, while 32-bit downloads continued their decline. 5) There is also the impact on our infrastructure to consider. We only have a single pool of Intel hardware on the Build Service and in openQA, responsible for building and testing both 32-bit and 64-bit intel. Not having 32-bit effectively doubles our available hardware for building and testing the distribution, and that's one hell of a good thing. Every time it's crossed your mind lately 'oh, it's taking a while for X to build' or 'why is it taking them so long to release a patch for Y' can probably be blamed on the infrastructure impact of providing a 32-bit version of a distribution for an every declining number of users. Therefore if people do step up to continue making a 32-bit distribution, I'd like to either see them find a way of mitigating the hardware impact of their work, or help us find sponsors willing to provide more hardware for the Build Service and openQA - and I think it's going to be quite hard to convince other organisations to sponsor hardware to support the building and testing of an architecture that's in such a state of decline. 6) My personal opinion is that it's a good decision to not waste any more time, effort, and hardware on a 32-bit distribution. 7) I hope/expect a discussion to start about ending 32-bit support in Tumbleweed to start someday soon - we have to accept nothing lasts forever, especially in Technology. On 28 August 2015 at 10:38, Ondřej Súkup <mimi.vx@gmail.com> wrote:
My 2 mythtv backend boxes are still running on Intel P4s. Very much alive and no moral nor physical reason to replace them. Ditto for our corporate firewalls and asterisk server.
try to calculate energy needs of intel P4 vs modern 64bit cpu with sufficent power for this backends ..
On 28 August 2015 at 09:53, Per Jessen <per@computer.org> wrote:
Ondřej Súkup wrote:
32bit x86 , last officially released desktop/laptop cpu was released in 2010 , all 32bit consumer CPU are behind moral and physical service life .
My 2 mythtv backend boxes are still running on Intel P4s. Very much alive and no moral nor physical reason to replace them. Ditto for our corporate firewalls and asterisk server.
Sure, 32bit-only hardware will eventually die off, but I'd still like to run 32bit VMs and 32bit openSUSE on 64bit hardware.
+ No one report or repairs bug on 32bit openSUSE .
I report them when I come across them.
I think my most recent one was about 32bit xen install files missing in 13.2.
https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=915963
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