-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 05/06/2015 08:46 AM, Michal Kubecek wrote:
On Wednesday 06 of May 2015 14:20:53 Guido Berhoerster wrote:
Huh, are you actually serious? Unless SUSE is planning on backporting every single new driver that matters for endusers using cheap laptops then this is inevitably becomes an issue and moreso than today where we get at least _all_ the latest drivers every 8 months.
The point is if you want "all the latest drivers", you can use Tumbleweed and have them every month or so.
Yes I get it. I either get to reboot my machine many times a week because a new kernel arrives in TW or I get the choice of not getting "new" drivers for years to come. Please consider the [possibility that there is a potentially a sizeable chunk of users that lie in between. As Guido pointed out, for many the "getting all 'new' drivers every 12 months" model appears to be working. What is being proposed is "get some 'new' drivers every 12 month". Lets face it, the chances of consumer product drivers being backported to the SLE base are slim. If the SLE kernel gets re-based every 2 years this implies that instead of "getting all 'new' drivers every 12 months" users end up with "getting some 'new' drivers every 24 months". A doubling of the waiting period and a reduction in features. Not a very compelling story, sorry. Additionally, SUSE is not committed to moving the kernel forward every other service pack (which has no committed release cycle either, just a rough time frame), rather, the "moving the kernel forward" is ad-hoc based on whatever suits the business considerations best.
This discussion is rather about a stable, reliable and reasonably maintained distribution to provide for (e.g.) three years as an alternative for those who prefer the "stable" direction over the "latest and greatest" one.
IMHO the main misunderstanding is that you base your comments on the assumption that the way openSUSE kernel has been maintained until now worked pretty well so that it would be best to go on with it. I don't believe this is the case and previous discussions (there were e.g. suggestions to move 13.1 to 3.12 kernel even within regular support period) show that I'm not the only one.
Well, I personally have encountered only few kernel bugs in our current release model. But then again I try to run on run off the mill hardware. The newer stuff where issues are encountered are the drivers for all the fancy thing one can plug into a USB port these days. Later, Robert - -- Robert Schweikert MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU Public Cloud Architect LINUX rjschwei@suse.com IRC: robjo -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJVSl3LAAoJEE4FgL32d2UkLnsH/i+Z4QhA80nGwbF7tfHq50mW bYGxgGhnsaCe/hJiomIHidf0tbGXnxVvW552X9VQ1EBNXWTygwiWYCaqQGL2dXxx zqem7vUWkQrFdInbEXD/ibSSwzTi+Kyx4+1OLwASJ5QxPqrn26BSNc+EqWfmqYrJ vfMYibFZrnoWTj1AIz1BblMVaA4a4NIWGFYD0QuvaZy4JE9ZuE5S7i7P6xYy0+7r l749eMYXAuvtS6oqWRPDMRMD2NpbW4xRI4HoWRni3dMaQlGjvf4Qj+2nNbpqAI2V fp+efVPRkX2YVEWa+l4hNWogDlSJvzFU31w/9VuTeglLCwG10YWS1T4r59G3UnE= =OlLN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org